Should I upgrade my 2070s > 4070ti or wait for next cards?

DomBruv · 11 Jan 2023 at 13:11

not sure whether its worth getting the best bang for the buck would actually be waiting for the next Nvidia card to come out or is this is worth it,

I know it's 2x the performance but the price seems a little high?

I have 3440x1440 100fps gsync monitor, and a 4k 55inch OLED Sony TV with VRR I'd also like to game on but can't as 2070s has no 2.1hdmi only dp will go above 60hz on this card also it wouldn't ever see more than 30 fps on ultra with this card at 4k anyway

my CPU is 5800x3d and I have 32gb ram on a x370 K7 board

thanks!

Skilid · 11 Jan 2023 at 13:15

By the sounds of it you could probably do with a GPU upgrade, but I wouldn't recommend for 4070Ti. It's just simply too expensive for what it is. I'd either look at something 2nd hand (3080/3090, 6800xt/6900xt) or wait and see what happens with future releases.

DomBruv · 11 Jan 2023 at 13:17

Skilid said:
By the sounds of it you could probably do with a GPU upgrade, but I wouldn't recommend for 4070Ti. It's just simply too expensive for what it is. I'd either look at something 2nd hand (3080/3090, 6800xt/6900xt) or wait and see what happens with future releases.

I'd love to go second hand only problem is if something goes wrong with a electrical product at this kinda price range I'm stuck. With fleebay anyway.

See ee ex might be a better option but you have no idea if there is a underlining issue or if its been mined

everything else I'd go 2nd hand for just GPU's are the one part that put me on edge about it

Skilid · 11 Jan 2023 at 14:32

DomBruv said:
I'd love to go second hand only problem is if something goes wrong with a electrical product at this kinda price range I'm stuck. With fleebay anyway.

See ee ex might be a better option but you have no idea if there is a underlining issue or if its been mined

everything else I'd go 2nd hand for just GPU's are the one part that put me on edge about it

If you don't want to buy used than a 4070Ti gives 15-20% more performance for about 20-25% more cost over a 3080 or 6900xt new.

I'm not sure I can personally recommend anything outside of the used market at the moment apart from maybe a 6900xt. Previous gen products are still expensive for what they offer. New products are priced ridiculously high.

DomBruv · 11 Jan 2023 at 15:03

Skilid said:
If you don't want to buy used than a 4070Ti gives 15-20% more performance for about 20-25% more cost over a 3080 or 6900xt new.

I'm not sure I can personally recommend anything outside of the used market at the moment apart from maybe a 6900xt. Previous gen products are still expensive for what they offer. New products are priced ridiculously high.

I'm seeing 3080 and 4070ti brand new at the same price? am i missing something here

Skilid · 11 Jan 2023 at 15:49

On OcUK. 3080 = £719. 6900XT = £699. 4070 Ti = £850.

Also availabe from other online retailers for differing prices, but they cannot be mentioned on this forum.

mickyflinn · 11 Jan 2023 at 16:19

If you can afford get the 4070ti people often bang on about value ( myself included) but at the high end performance doesn't scale well to cost.

ZXSpekky48k · 11 Jan 2023 at 16:26

Check out the thread here amidst all the arguing there are some benchmark tables which can help you to make an informed decision.

DomBruv · 19 Jan 2023 at 12:47

I don't get it, for £800 seems like a really good card. last year id be paying 2k for this performance?

I've got a 2070 super, it's old and I'm not hitting cap fps in any of my games on ultra at 3440x1440 95hz now.

I really do want a new gpu, I'm willing to fork out some savings on one if in 4-5 months time nothing else changes...

I'd ideally like to spend £600 max though so this is what is putting me off,

what I don't want to do is buy this 4070ti and a few months down the line found I've been shafted with a price drop or a new card?

Do we think this may happen?

Haz123 · 19 Jan 2023 at 13:04

DomBruv said:
last year id be paying 2k for this performance?

what I don't want to do is buy this 4070ti and a few months down the line found I've been shafted with a price drop or a new card?

Do we think this may happen?

The 2k asking price for the 3090ti was a total rip off during the height of the mining gpu drought. Unless you needed that card for work related purposes it made no sense at all in a world where the MSRP for a 3080 was £650. I would argue that it is not a good idea to judge the value proposition of a current product vs a terribly priced rip off product from a previous generation.

Price drops. Nvidia kept the entire Turing generation at a high price and did not offer good value until the 3000 series came out. The poor sales for the Turing cards did not make them drop prices but then they did not have competition at the high end with AMD openly admiting the 5700xt was not up to scratch.
What this means for the current 4000 cards we do not know but I do not think we will see any price drops until the full product stack has been released. They have pushed the higher end cards price up to leave room for the lower end cards like the 4070 and 4060 to slot into higher price points. Once the 4070/4060 have been released then if sales are still very poor it is likely we will see price drops.

AMD have in the past 6 months shown that they are willing to drop prices to help shift the 6900/6800 cards. I think they are far more likely to drop prices before Nv do. This is dependent on how much silicon they have ordered from TSMC , if they can sell the chips they have in the pipeline at the current price they will not drop the price.

How much cards drop is also not known. If 4070ti is currently £800 is it really come down to £600 ? I think it should but the 3080 has not dropped in 2 years and is now practically eol. It may drop to £700 but sales would have to be catastrophic to go below that imo.

DomBruv · 19 Jan 2023 at 13:43

Haz123 said:
The 2k asking price for the 3090ti was a total rip off during the height of the mining gpu drought. Unless you needed that card for work related purposes it made no sense at all in a world where the MSRP for a 3080 was £650. I would argue that it is not a good idea to judge the value proposition of a current product vs a terribly priced rip off product from a previous generation.

Price drops. Nvidia kept the entire Turing generation at a high price and did not offer good value until the 3000 series came out. The poor sales for the Turing cards did not make them drop prices but then they did not have competition at the high end with AMD openly admiting the 5700xt was not up to scratch.
What this means for the current 4000 cards we do not know but I do not think we will see any price drops until the full product stack has been released. They have pushed the higher end cards price up to leave room for the lower end cards like the 4070 and 4060 to slot into higher price points. Once the 4070/4060 have been released then if sales are still very poor it is likely we will see price drops.

AMD have in the past 6 months shown that they are willing to drop prices to help shift the 6900/6800 cards. I think they are far more likely to drop prices before Nv do. This is dependent on how much silicon they have ordered from TSMC , if they can sell the chips they have in the pipeline at the current price they will not drop the price.

How much cards drop is also not known. If 4070ti is currently £800 is it really come down to £600 ? I think it should but the 3080 has not dropped in 2 years and is now practically eol. It may drop to £700 but sales would have to be catastrophic to go below that imo.

thanks for the info mate really shed some light, still unsure on what to do.

The new case i want comes out in 2 months time so maybe I'll see what the crack is when i get the case and if its dropped or something else comes out I may swing my wallet out

Haz123 · 19 Jan 2023 at 13:55

If you can wait then I think it is a good idea to do so. Stock levels for current gen cards are good and sales are relatively poor now that the early adopters have gotten their cards.

The current situation is the exact opposite of 2 years ago. No pandemic or mining craze to fuel exponential demand for PC hardware. Prices for ram and other components are dropping. TSMC cannot sell their full allocation for wafers so they will drop the price making the gpu dies cheaper. What this all adds upto is there should not be any chance of the prices rising so no harm in waiting. Prices should drop but the caveat to that is the top tier card for each manufacturer will always command a premium and be harder to get hold of. You are not looking at a 4090 or 7900xtx tier card so not a problem for you.

What case you thinking of getting ?

decto · 27 Jan 2023 at 00:30

Personally I think the 4070 Ti is a good card, poorly priced.
Nvidia have slapped a bit of extra ££ to boost their profits now they can't sell truck loads of cards direct to miners at inflated prices.

However, seems you have a good base system and you can afford to buy.
If the card was £100 - £150 cheaper then it would be a no brainer, if you have the need and a couple of high res displays to drive then you'll get the benefit.
Sure you could wait 6 months and the price may drop a little, or there may be a couple of bundled games you don't really want anyhow....
But then you are 6 months closer to the next refresh and have lost 6 months of an improved gaming experience.

While it's poorly priced, it's only a couple of family sized take aways.
If you're a regular gamer buy and enjoy.

For those with a higher end 30x0, or with a strict budget the case is weaker, from a 2070 it's a good jump.
Also not the best card for high refresh 4k due to memory bandwidth so may want to consider the VRR range of the TV.
60FPS 4k is great through.