Should Shambo die?

Calder · 9 May 2007 at 23:09

Balddog said:
Go back where? As I said, many of them are white britons.

Ramesh Kallidai and Swami Suryananda don't sound like white britons to me, so they can be the first to go, the white britons can either live with it or go to the countries where the law has been created around Hinduism.

theleg · 9 May 2007 at 23:16

Calder said:
Ramesh Kallidai and Swami Suryananda don't sound like white britons to me, so they can be the first to go, the white britons can either live with it or go to the countries where the law has been created around Hinduism.

For someone so angry about this issue, I wouldnt have thought youd be so ignorant...When one becomes hindu, they take a hindu name...Swami Suryananda may well have been John Smith by birth...

Calder · 9 May 2007 at 23:18

Balddog said:
For someone so angry about this issue, I wouldnt have thought youd be so ignorant...When one becomes hindu, they take a hindu name...Swami Suryananda may well have been John Smith by birth...

I'm not angry in the slightest, it's my standard response for foreign people/religions complaining about our country.

And no I didn't know that about Hinduism, but either way I'm sure you agree it's highly likely that the majority of them are not from British origin.

theleg · 9 May 2007 at 23:21

Calder said:
I'm not angry in the slightest, it's my standard response for foreign people/religions complaining about our country.

And no I didn't know that about Hinduism, but either way I'm sure you agree it's highly likely that the majority of them are not from British origin.

foreign people? they are british..even the brown ones are probably british..all major religions are foreign to us.

Actually id imagine that most of them are of british origin..from what ive read of the place, its fully of dirty hippies..most of the immigrant hindus live in the cities and work...not hang about in some welsh valley skipping round and humping trees..

POB · 9 May 2007 at 23:25

I misread this as Shamu which would have still said yes to as the Dolphin show is much better.

Vai · 9 May 2007 at 23:30

Balddog said:
Isnt it a horribly painful disease?

Admittedly I don't know but a quick google suggests it can vary quite a lot from generally feeling unwell, tiredness and coughing to full on fever and weight loss. Also I would expect it affects cattle differently to humans.
Wiki says that the treatment for active TB is one set of drugs for 2 months, then a different set for 4 months. To me that suggests that you are physically ill for 2 months, then have 4 months of drugs to stop it spreading and to stop it returning.

If the cow could talk, I think it would prefer 2 months of being ill to being killed. So if the owners want to pay for treatment, can ensure that it will be quarantined for the correct amount of time and the animal is not in serious pain I don't see why the animal should be put down. Based on the BBC article it sounds like the owners are quite willing to do this.

Jet · 9 May 2007 at 23:31

Vai said:
If it can be isolated to minimize spread of the disease, and can be treated or the animal isn't in pain then there is no way it should be killed. Isn't that obvious?

And then every man and his dog would use that excuse and not everyone is as careful as they say they are.

It's obvious it should be killed.

Vai · 9 May 2007 at 23:36

Jet said:
And then every man and his dog would use that excuse and not everyone is as careful as they say they are.

It's obvious it should be killed.

"As a responsible organisation, the temple has sought professional veterinary advice to ensure that robust measures are taken to isolate Shambo and minimise the spread of disease.

If their claim that they are using a professional to ensure quarantine procedures can be substantiated then it isn't exactly an "excuse" is it?

theleg · 9 May 2007 at 23:37

Vai said:
Admittedly I don't know but a quick google suggests it can vary quite a lot from generally feeling unwell, tiredness and coughing to full on fever and weight loss. Also I would expect it affects cattle differently to humans.
Wiki says that the treatment for active TB is one set of drugs for 2 months, then a different set for 4 months. To me that suggests that you are physically ill for 2 months, then have 4 months of drugs to stop it spreading and to stop it returning.

If the cow could talk, I think it would prefer 2 months of being ill to being killed. So if the owners want to pay for treatment, can ensure that it will be quarantined for the correct amount of time and the animal is not in serious pain I don't see why the animal should be put down. Based on the BBC article it sounds like the owners are quite willing to do this.

There is apparently no vaccination and no cure in this country...and apparently its communicable to humans too :/

Vai · 9 May 2007 at 23:49

Balddog said:
There is apparently no vaccination and no cure in this country...and apparently its communicable to humans too :/

Where did you read that?

Note: until 2005, all schoolchildren in the UK were routinely given the BCG vaccine at about the age of 13. The policy changed in Autumn 2005 and those now immunised are in the groups listed above. The policy change was due to the changing patterns of TB in the UK. Rates of the disease are now very low in many parts of the country and children living in these areas have a very low risk of infection. However, in other areas, rates of TB are increasing. This is why the BCG vaccine is now mainly targeted at babies living in areas where there is an increasing rate of TB cases.

The standard "short" course treatment for tuberculosis (TB), if it is active, is isoniazid, rifampicin, pyrazinamide and ethambutol for two months, then isoniazid and rifampicin alone for a further four months. The patient is considered cured at six months. For latent tuberculosis, the standard treatment is six to nine months of isoniazid alone.

Jet · 9 May 2007 at 23:52

Vai said:
If their claim that they are using a professional to ensure quarantine procedures can be substantiated then it isn't exactly an "excuse" is it?
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And anyone with a sick animal will argue they will keep it quarantined as well. You can't make exceptions, it's unfair on everyone else.

And how will the quarantine be enforced? Who will be checking each day that the procedures are still in place.

theleg · 9 May 2007 at 23:54

Vai said:
Where did you read that?

In one of the linked articles on story in the first post....Are your quotes for animal form TB as well?

Azagoth · 10 May 2007 at 00:00

Yes, for two reasons! Firstly it's an obvious health risk and secondly, in this Country we don't consider bovines to be sacred!

aayzof · 10 May 2007 at 00:03

yes shambo should die

Sleepy · 10 May 2007 at 00:04

There are different forms of TB some are more drug resistent than others. The most virulent type is IIRC untreatable.

al123 · 10 May 2007 at 00:12

All cattle that test positive for TB are to be slaughtered. So yes it should be.

Dtabs'Ghost · 10 May 2007 at 00:12

It has to be put down..........end of.

All the farms in a close proximity of that bull will be under stringent movement restrictions becouse of that reacting bull being there,and will remain so until a minimum of 60 days after the bull is disposed of.They will also have to have each animal tb tested at least twice.Not exactly fair on them is it?

Tb is a huge and very expensive problem in cattle,this bull will be one of hundreds this week ,tough break ,but keep cattle and live with the regulations.

Just don't get me started on badgers ..

VIRII · 10 May 2007 at 00:20

Kill it. Entire herds of cattle were slaughtered if they were at risk of mad cow disease whether they had it or not.
No exceptions, if there is a policy of slaughtering cattle with TB then there should not even be a discussion it should just be done.

Vai · 10 May 2007 at 00:38

Jet said:
And anyone with a sick animal will argue they will keep it quarantined as well. You can't make exceptions, it's unfair on everyone else.

And how will the quarantine be enforced? Who will be checking each day that the procedures are still in place.

If they want to keep the animal, a professional could enforce and check procedures, at the expense of the owners of course.

Balddog said:
In one of the linked articles on story in the first post....Are your quotes for animal form TB as well?

My quotes were regarding human TB, I found very little information on bovine TB and I am assuming that the difference between the two is relatively small.

It is likely the quote about there being no vaccination was regarding other cattle rather than humans, I can't say for the part regarding a cure however there are conflicts for that entire statement:

"Shambo is in a very healthy condition. If TB does develop in him, given appropriate care he can be expected to make a full recovery.

We have been advised by our solicitors that there is provision both within the Animal Health Act 1981 and the more recent TB order Wales 2006 for permission to treat and vaccinate any animal identified as having TB with the prior consent of the minister for the national Assembly of Wales.

Zefan · 10 May 2007 at 01:01

Why the hell do they love cows so much anyway?

Look at them, they're perfectly designed to carry as much flesh as possible for it's surface area. They're meant to be eaten.