Should there be a cap?
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Agreed, as if there should be state intervention in the cost of a football game lmao.
I find it hard to justify that a sports person is deserving of that kind of wealth. For what? What benefit to society?
The fact that we are unsure if a footballer should be worth 50,000x the compensation of, say, a neuro-scientist, says a lot about western society and values.
the benefit to society is entertainment - the justification is fairly objective - they earn that money, it it they that people are paying to watch
But you don't have to be a football supporter to find your money is going toward football agents and transfer fees.
You only have to be a BT or Sky customer (for example). Doesn't matter if you have the Sports channels or not. Doesn't matter if you watch football or not. Every BT and Sky customer, and countless others, is helping pump more money into football.
Yes, and western society would happily pay billions to footballers whilst simultaneously saying it's too expensive to develop new antibiotics.
We are our own worst enemy, often.
Rubbish like this is why I only watch international football these days.
English football teams started out as 11 lads playing for the pride of their town, then evolved into 11 English blokes playing for the pride of their club, then into 11 randoms from around the planet playing for their next Ferrari. There's no passion anymore, there's no reason to get behind a team who only care about their bank accounts and not whatever club they happen to be at or it's fans.
English football teams started out as 11 lads playing for the pride of their town, then evolved into 11 English blokes playing for the pride of their club, then into 11 randoms from around the planet playing for their next Ferrari. There's no passion anymore, there's no reason to get behind a team who only care about their bank accounts and not whatever club they happen to be at or it's fans.
What do antibiotics have to do with football clubs????
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I miss the good old days when players would sign for significant sums and then immediately gain 4 stone and develop a healthy cocaine habit.
Priorities. There's money to pay footballers billions but making new antibiotics is "too expensive".
Society's priorities are the link I'm making between them.
I'm not really seeing much link, if anything crippling a part of the economy like football would just lead to a decrease in tax revenue and in turn we'd have less money for the NHS, universities etc..
I mean we've got these world class teams/players from all over the world, playing in the best league in the world - the clubs are world famous, the TV rights are sold worldwide... yes we could cripple all that because of some petty jealousy and a rather odd argument re: antibiotics that makes no sense. I'm not really sure what you'd hope to achieve by doing so.
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Jimmy Hill did great things back around 1960 to improve football player wages, but the transfer costs and wages (like in so many other jobs as you head towards CEO manger levels) has got totally out of hand. These people don't need ~£100k+ per week to live, or £100 million of free shares when their employer company gets privatised etc.
I think top league football was far better competition when the number of players that were not born in the UK were limited (to 3?) ~25 years ago.
I think top league football was far better competition when the number of players that were not born in the UK were limited (to 3?) ~25 years ago.
You think... footballers pay their taxes?
not just footballers but all the thousands of other people, the companies that employ them too etc.. also don't mistake avoidance schemes with them not paying any tax...
you don't appear to want to answer the question though - what do you hope to achieve with this?
@dowie Would they be any less entertaining if they were paid less money?
I was present at a conversation between a former P.L. and England player and some other people where when one asked what was going on to make him play like crap his response was 'why would I bother to put more effort in, I get paid the same whether I'm good or bad and I already have enough to retire on'. He was 22.
I was present at a conversation between a former P.L. and England player and some other people where when one asked what was going on to make him play like crap his response was 'why would I bother to put more effort in, I get paid the same whether I'm good or bad and I already have enough to retire on'. He was 22.
What do *I* hope to achieve with *what*? I haven't made any proposals in this thread.
I think they'd be playing elsewhere if they were paid less money here. I guess it depends what you want from English football, if you want it to be less popular, not followed worldwide and just played between smaller clubs using local players on a modest wage then I'm sure you could still derive plenty of entertainment from it. But then again I think some people would be drawn to some other league where the very best players from the UK and the rest of the world play at the highest standards.
In fact no one is forcing you to watch premiere league matches, there are local clubs near to most people where you can go and be entertained at a much lower price watching people on much more modest wages.
So are you fine with them being paid as they are now?
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Player wages are no different to that of movie stars and musicians. Gareth Bale has approximately the same net worth as Ed Sheeran. Why should Gareth Bale have his earning potential capped but not Ed Sheeran?
What is it about footballers that make them some kind of special case for punitive measures?
All of the main actors and actresses in Game Of Thrones earns £2 million per episode. £20 million per year. £400,000 per week. Only the very top tier footballers like Messi, Ronaldo etc earn that much. My team, Everton, has just started breaking the £100k a week barrier for a couple of players now.
Just take a look at how footballers gathered around Bradley Lowry in his final days. Tell me any other group of "artists" that puts that amount of charitable effort back into their communities.
Again I can only speak for the club I support, but Everton In The Community have won awards for their charitable endeavours. With special classes and activities for underprivileged children. Pretty much all of the big Premier League clubs have big charitable presences in their communities.
Tell me what do pop stars and movie stars do besides snort coke and get plastic surgery?
I think every time the amount of money sloshing around in football gets brought up it needs to be qualified with the amount of money sloshing round in the music and film business that everyone seems to be perfectly okay with.
What is it about footballers that make them some kind of special case for punitive measures?
All of the main actors and actresses in Game Of Thrones earns £2 million per episode. £20 million per year. £400,000 per week. Only the very top tier footballers like Messi, Ronaldo etc earn that much. My team, Everton, has just started breaking the £100k a week barrier for a couple of players now.
Just take a look at how footballers gathered around Bradley Lowry in his final days. Tell me any other group of "artists" that puts that amount of charitable effort back into their communities.
Again I can only speak for the club I support, but Everton In The Community have won awards for their charitable endeavours. With special classes and activities for underprivileged children. Pretty much all of the big Premier League clubs have big charitable presences in their communities.
Tell me what do pop stars and movie stars do besides snort coke and get plastic surgery?
I think every time the amount of money sloshing around in football gets brought up it needs to be qualified with the amount of money sloshing round in the music and film business that everyone seems to be perfectly okay with.
My biggest problem as stated previously is that I'm forced to have Sky TV, therefore (even without paying for Sports channels), it's my money that's being used for these astronomical fees and wages.
And Sky keep putting the price up every year by >10%. Sure I could cancel the contract and live without TV, but it's hardly fair. Sky should have just pushed the price of the Sports package up, and let those who genuinely want to fuel this industry's madness do so. The rest of us who just want to watch Discovery, Nat Geo, etc, get a raw deal.
13 euros for a ticket to see the mighty Fortuna Duesseldorf here, which includes public transport to and from the nice swish 45k+ stadium. Standing section with beers
Fortuna are rubbish though ;P Still, Dortmund, Leverkusen, Schalke, Munchengladbach are all an easy train ride away too for top tier football.