Should there be a limit on the number of tests people can take?
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Dashik said:
That's what I was thinking - I'd heard murmours but there would be outcry (in my year) if it was going to affect my year. (Not meaning my year in particular, just "my generation").
My wife passed after 4 attempts, I did it in two.
I will admit that she's by far the better driver of us. Driving tests are not good for nervous people (my wife). I read that taking your practical test is the most stressful thing you're ever likely to do. I'm normally relaxed and easy-going, but I was utterly, utterly bricking it on both my tests. Nerves play a huge part, and I know that my driving in both of my tests was far worse than during a lesson.
If an instructor thinks you're cack at driving, you shouldn't be allowed to take the test. They should know when your driving is of a suitable standard to pass, and when it is they should advise you to book. If you do fail, it may be purely down to circumstance/nerves.
Perhaps an instructor pre-test approval would help keep numpties off the road, i.e. you HAVE to be of a certain standard before you are allowed to take the test. Hmmm...
I will admit that she's by far the better driver of us. Driving tests are not good for nervous people (my wife). I read that taking your practical test is the most stressful thing you're ever likely to do. I'm normally relaxed and easy-going, but I was utterly, utterly bricking it on both my tests. Nerves play a huge part, and I know that my driving in both of my tests was far worse than during a lesson.
If an instructor thinks you're cack at driving, you shouldn't be allowed to take the test. They should know when your driving is of a suitable standard to pass, and when it is they should advise you to book. If you do fail, it may be purely down to circumstance/nerves.
Perhaps an instructor pre-test approval would help keep numpties off the road, i.e. you HAVE to be of a certain standard before you are allowed to take the test. Hmmm...
danza said:
I tell all my pupils right at the start of their lessons. If WE (myself and them) dont agree they are ready for there test then they dont get to go in my car.
Sometimes I have to put my foot down and refuse but more often I have to cajoule them into going.
DannyDan said:
I didn't mean don't let them take a test because of nerves. I meant if they're not competent enough.
If they then failed due to nerves/circumstance then fair enough, they fail. At least that way people who are of a decent standard (albeit a bit nervous) are taking the test, not just some over-eager chav who's been taught by his Dad to donut around in a field and had a few lessons.
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Yes there are nerves and all that, but there is also real life driving situations which may affect your nerves, is that a valid excuse for ending up in an accident (maybe causing a fatality) which could have been avoided? "Sorry officer, I went to crap as I was a little nervous?"DannyDan said:
Anyway I don't think this is aimed at those that struggle and pass 4th, 5th time, but those that are doing their twentieth test etc.
Look, its not the number of tests you take thats causing the problems.
If fact its the opposite.
The ones causeing the carnage are the 17 to 25 yo male drivers that pass first time with next to no faults and no lessons.
These 'superstars' then think they are wonderful drivers because they passed so easily.
Next thing they wrap the car round a tree killing there friends or worse.
If you think about it most people take lessons/supervison and the more of that and the more tests you take then the better you are likely to be when you pass. It also stands to reason if you had to struggle so hard to get your license in the first place are you not more likely to look after it once you finally get it?
If fact its the opposite.
The ones causeing the carnage are the 17 to 25 yo male drivers that pass first time with next to no faults and no lessons.
These 'superstars' then think they are wonderful drivers because they passed so easily.
Next thing they wrap the car round a tree killing there friends or worse.
If you think about it most people take lessons/supervison and the more of that and the more tests you take then the better you are likely to be when you pass. It also stands to reason if you had to struggle so hard to get your license in the first place are you not more likely to look after it once you finally get it?
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But that's just a desire, if you don't have the skill/capability to start with then good intentions mean nothing.Dashik said:
cymatty said:I passed after 20 lessons first time with 2 minors been driving 7 yrs and had no accidents, so that theory doesn't apply to everyone.
Its not a theory its a statistic. Go ask the parents of the three killed in Kirkcaldy last weekend in a new Civic on a straight bit of road.
As with all things there are exceptions. But the sad fact is that a disproportunate amount of young male drivers are killing themselves and there friends.
Its a hell of a waste........
GSXRMovistar said:
Theres no such thing as a natural driver. EVERYONE has to accquire the skills.
Driving is a combination of eye, hand and foot corordination with assesment of the situation at hand.
Some people are physically unable to drive. Blind etc.
Some people are unsuited to drive. Attitude etc.
Most people with enough practice and tution can acheive the standard required and as such if they chose to do so can spend both time and money in obtaining a large degree of personal freedom and choice.
Who is anyone here to deny people the choice or opportunity?
I think they should limit how many times you can take the test in a year say 3 times and if you still don't pass then you have to wait another year.The amount of people who was at 6th form that can't drive properly yet has a license.
There is this one girl that would boast about how shes a good driver(even before the test),I got annoyed and made a joking type comment saying "No your not,your a woman you can't drive"
and she said "Well if I'm not a good driver than how come I am taking my test next week and I only had 11 lessons?"
Week later she fails and from what my mate has told me it took her 5 tries to pass and 2months after she got her car she pulled out on someone on a junction and there is a massive dent on the side of her car.
She still claims shes a good driver tho.
There is this one girl that would boast about how shes a good driver(even before the test),I got annoyed and made a joking type comment saying "No your not,your a woman you can't drive"
and she said "Well if I'm not a good driver than how come I am taking my test next week and I only had 11 lessons?"Week later she fails and from what my mate has told me it took her 5 tries to pass and 2months after she got her car she pulled out on someone on a junction and there is a massive dent on the side of her car.
She still claims shes a good driver tho.
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Yes but my original statements still hold, not everyone has the ability to acquire these skills.Dashik said:
No one here is suggesting that the opportunity is denied, in fact far from it, everyone is agreeing on multiple chances to attempt/achieve something.Dashik said:
The point is regardless of opportunity some people can't/won't ever achieve their goals.
Example, I have the opportunity to become a 100 metre sprinter, I can attend various gyms, I can spend money on coaching, and I can apply to try out with numerous running teams. But at the end of the day, I can't run fast for **** so what's the point of me wasting everyone’s time?
No, I don't think that there should be a limit on the number of tests that you can take. Why should there be? As long as the person can display the required level of competence to pass the test, what does it matter if it's their first test, or their tenth?