Show Us Your Motors!

Jez · 27 May 2016 at 12:19

Conanius said:
A lot of the trades round here have moved to them now it seems. Are there not very good deals on transits/etc at the moment?

I guess when you aren't on the job as a builder it's a bit more car like, but sort of feels like a compromise for both situations.

Are foreman on site ok with uncovered load carrying areas ?

You do see them increasingly instead of vans here too, actually. Mitsubishi Warriors/VW Amoraks and things like that.

As you say i suppose they drive more like an SUV so you can use it for family stuff to some extent, but with the load area in the back for trade type work instead of a Van.

Dup · 27 May 2016 at 12:42

Most pickups are a better place to be as they're aimed more at families than traders. They make a good dual purpose.

I'm sure the interior of a modern Hilux, Warrior etc is a nicer place to be than a Transit or one of them horrible French vans.

Akagi · 27 May 2016 at 13:00

Some modern vans aren't bad, the brand new top-spec Transit I drive sometimes for work is OK inside, quite car-like, but nowhere near as good as most modern trucks. Truck interiors seem fairly premium.

Peerzy · 27 May 2016 at 13:44

I think if I worked in trade like acemastr I'd probably go for one of those over a van as a work tool.

lee1101 · 27 May 2016 at 13:48

The Celica looks fantastic, good job!

pioneer2000 · 27 May 2016 at 14:00

ViperZS said:
I love the look of the CLA but as it's been said already a FWD Merc is a sin

Why do you say that? because it can accelerate without spinning up it's rear tyres and having all the traction control lights come on

And in fairness it's AWD rather than FWD.

acemastr · 27 May 2016 at 14:06

Jez said:
I always think with pickups, while i guess its fairly easy in a warm climate for chucking tools or rubble in the back (or whatever your trade asks of you), wouldn't a decent sized van be more secure, as you tend to find builders here in the UK use?

There you go, plus ride height, comfort etc

*Holy pic size... it really is about time this forum was brought up to date and not mid 90's!

acemastr · 27 May 2016 at 14:09

pioneer2000 said:
Why do you say that? because it can accelerate without spinning up it's rear tyres and having all the traction control lights come on

And in fairness it's AWD rather than FWD.

Other than vehicles spec'd with AWD(4matic?) they are FWD.

ViperZS · 27 May 2016 at 14:47

pioneer2000 said:
Why do you say that? because it can accelerate without spinning up it's rear tyres and having all the traction control lights come on

And in fairness it's AWD rather than FWD.

RWD traction slip implies someone is using the wrong tyres or not driving to the conditions.

FWD is not a performance orientated drive train. Let the front wheels do the turning and the rear wheels do the driving.

Akagi · 27 May 2016 at 15:00

FWD with an LSD works very well through, and under-steer is quite controllable!

acemastr · 27 May 2016 at 15:08

FWD sucks.

crinkleshoes · 27 May 2016 at 15:14

acemastr said:
FWD sucks.

^^^^^

I don't like 4wd on many cars either... but the system in the 911 is VERY good... feels more like a mid/front engined RWD car to me than the standard C2S yet with the added fun element of having the engine over the rear wheels (makes sliding extra enjoyable). Although the stock LSD helps with that, I haven't had the chance to try a C2S with LSD yet, that might make things better.

Akagi · 27 May 2016 at 15:17

acemastr said:
FWD sucks.

OK.

acemastr · 27 May 2016 at 15:43

Acme said:
OK.

Your resume of each different driveline doesn't allow an opinion lol

Akagi · 27 May 2016 at 15:45

acemastr said:
Your resume of each different driveline doesn't allow an opinion lol

They don't 'suck' though, thats my point. Whether or not a RWD platform is 'better' for some applications is a different argument!

And now you come to mention it, out of the 10 - 12 vehicles I've driven, only one was RWD and it had about 40HP. And I oversteered into a fence on a dirt track...

acemastr · 27 May 2016 at 16:01

Ironically the only time I've 'oversteered' and crashed was when I pulled the hand brake in a 'watch this' moment in a FWD 88bhp Tigra in the snow. It got a new axle.

wingman · 27 May 2016 at 16:38

Acme said:
They don't 'suck' though, thats my point. Whether or not a RWD platform is 'better' for some applications is a different argument!

And now you come to mention it, out of the 10 - 12 vehicles I've driven, only one was RWD and it had about 40HP. And I oversteered into a fence on a dirt track...

Once you've owned a decent RWD it is very easy to understand what the fuss is about..

One with at least some guts!

pioneer2000 · 27 May 2016 at 17:50

wingman said:
Once you've owned a decent RWD it is very easy to understand what the fuss is about..

One with at least some guts!

Nonsense. You've clearly not driven a good FWD / AWD car.

crinkleshoes · 27 May 2016 at 18:18

pioneer2000 said:
Nonsense. You've clearly not driven a good FWD / AWD car.

Rally-spec Clio... Megane Trophy... they sucked compared to even something like a £1000 MX5 with nothing done to it

The 4WD systems are usually so sticky that they're boring... doesn't make them bad, just means they're not fun. There are only a very few exceptions and they're the ones that feel like a RWD car...

Clarkey · 27 May 2016 at 18:19

I think this quite visibly demonstrates RWD vs FWD at corner exit.

https://youtu.be/5pD77hr0yrM?t=6m56s

I would have had a small power advantage but he had better tyres, sequential, full race prepped machine so I don't think out and out brute force was the deciding factor.