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The seats are different because you have more headroom. I didn’t mention anything about headroom meaning comfort otherwise my s2000 would be infinitely comfortable

Because of different seats you can sit more upright. This is why they are more comfortable
 
Loads of manufacturers use halogen still. In fact I'd say all of them do in at least some models, in at least some places. (With exceptions where luxury/supercar only manufacturers are concerned)

I'd also be shocked if LED headlights are standard equipment on any Focus, ST or not. They are probably a fairly pricey option. Except perhaps on the RS? They would probably be standard on that... Just guessing.

Halogen are better in some ways. You can actually change the bulbs in them for a start, unlike LED units. Which can be £1000 a pop when you need to replace it (including the DRLs, if those go it's also an MOT fail) :/

Plus halogen doesn't need the auto-leveling and washer systems and if you can just retrofit some LED bulbs if you want :p
 
The seats are different because you have more headroom. I didn’t mention anything about headroom meaning comfort otherwise my s2000 would be infinitely comfortable

Because of different seats you can sit more upright. This is why they are more comfortable

You said they have different seats. I didn't. They are exactly the same. Take a look at X5 and 5 series seats. They just have higher rails. How that translates into a more comfortable position is debatable as your using your ankle to accelerate instead of your leg if your sitting in an upright position like a dining chair for example.
 
Haha what?! I am 6ft 3 and never had an issue with head room in an estate. If headroom is an issue just get a van or MPV.

Yeah...I've never known tall people with issues in normal cars. My dad is 6.6, best mate 6.4 and I'm 6. My dad fits in my Porsche just fine.
 
Halogen are better in some ways. You can actually change the bulbs in them for a start, unlike LED units. Which can be £1000 a pop when you need to replace it (including the DRLs, if those go it's also an MOT fail) :/

Plus halogen doesn't need the auto-leveling and washer systems and if you can just retrofit some LED bulbs if you want :p

...and for seeing down the road LED are better.

Note: LED don’t need washers unless over 2000 lumens.
 
I also drove a 1800 mile stint in an estate and my back was fresh and fine afterward. No weird problems or medical conditions arose from it either.
You are comparing an S2000 which is a focused sports car which is a valid point as it could be difficult for someone with a bad back due to the harshness of the suspension compared to something relatively normal. The point I was making is an estate is just as comfortable as an SUV as most of them are just based on their saloon counterparts but raised up. The interior and layout will be in a lot of cases exactly the same or very similar.

But in my example I wasn’t saying an SUV is more comfortable than an estate, I merely said due to the slight height increase it makes a massive difference in our situation.

You say yourself you have no problems or medical conditions so may not understand what a difference it makes.

And I’ve never said that the car was the cause of any ‘weird problems or medical conditions’, but that there are issues that are aggravated by certain vehicles due to various factors.

Very different things.
 
But in my example I wasn’t saying an SUV is more comfortable than an estate, I merely said due to the slight height increase it makes a massive difference in our situation.

You say yourself you have no problems or medical conditions so may not understand what a difference it makes.

And I’ve never said that the car was the cause of any ‘weird problems or medical conditions’, but that there are issues that are aggravated by certain vehicles due to various factors.

Very different things.

How does an SUV alleviate back pain compared to a Saloon or estate it just doesn't make any sense the seats are no different to a saloon. The top companies spend millions on driver ergonomics. It's all just placebo and people trying to justify themselves in my opinion.

I can clearly understand your low slung sports car argument but a family Saloon/Estate is not the same.
 
How does an SUV alleviate back pain compared to a Saloon or estate it just doesn't make any sense the seats are no different to a saloon.

But they are. You are/can sit far more upright in an SUV, your legs are far less straight forward and as a result the pressure on the base of your back is different. Even if the seat back/base is similar to a saloon/hatch/estate variant, the height from the floorpan is different.

I’m not in any way advocating SUV over estate as I’d have an estate over an SUV any day, but the wife has a Skoda Yeti and I can appreciate that the seating position is very different.
 
How does an SUV alleviate back pain compared to a Saloon or estate it just doesn't make any sense the seats are no different to a saloon. The top companies spend millions on driver ergonomics. It's all just placebo and people trying to justify themselves in my opinion.

I can clearly understand your low slung sports car argument but a family Saloon/Estate is not the same.

posture.

Or in SAE terms
The h30-1. Driver hip point to heel height.

it’s actually well documented within human factors and comfort.
 
But they are. You are/can sit far more upright in an SUV, your legs are far less straight forward and as a result the pressure on the base of your back is different. Even if the seat back/base is similar to a saloon/hatch/estate variant, the height from the floorpan is different.

I’m not in any way advocating SUV over estate as I’d have an estate over an SUV any day, but the wife has a Skoda Yeti and I can appreciate that the seating position is very different.

That has its own draw backs at least for me. Maybe because I am tall and long in the leg but I prefer a much more normal driving position. The upright van type position always ends up with pain in my ankles as you are doing more with your ankles whereas in a more normal car your leg is mostly doing the work. Especially as most cars have inverted pedal boxes.
 
That has its own draw backs at least for me. Maybe because I am tall and long in the leg but I prefer a much more normal driving position. The upright van type position always ends up with pain in my ankles as you are doing more with your ankles whereas in a more normal car your leg is mostly doing the work. Especially as most cars have inverted pedal boxes.

So what you’re saying is, for you a certain type of car with a certain driving position doesn’t work for you and gives you pain? ;)

Which highlights the whole point of my original post, different things for different people which is clearly articulated in your post!

For her he posture when sitting is part of it, but it’s not too dissimilar to the old Golf.

The big thing for her is getting in and out, as the seat is a lot lower than your bum is at standing height she has to stoop/bent down coupled with the twisting to get in.

With the additional height it’s more a case of stepping in without having to bend and contort.

We’ve had plenty of cars of all types to know what works and what doesn’t, saloons (3 series), estate (A4 Avant), plenty of hatches, couple of S2000s.

Other than the s2k which obviously feels like you’re sitting on the floor, both the 3 series and the A4 felt very low down to get and sit in, as you’ve said you’re bent more like an L shape rather than a ‘chair’ shape, having your legs out in front of you.

Sadly had to get rid of the S2000s largely because of this, as much fun as it is going out for a drive on my own it was a shame we couldn’t ever go out together in it. Second one was 5 years or so later hoping the back issues would’ve calmed down, sadly nope so it had to go :(
 
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That has its own draw backs at least for me. Maybe because I am tall and long in the leg but I prefer a much more normal driving position. The upright van type position always ends up with pain in my ankles as you are doing more with your ankles whereas in a more normal car your leg is mostly doing the work. Especially as most cars have inverted pedal boxes.

I am no SUV fan but the seating position in terms of how you sit in an X5 was exactly like that in a 5 series. You don't sit upright like a truck.
 
I am no SUV fan but the seating position in terms of how you sit in an X5 was exactly like that in a 5 series. You don't sit upright like a truck.

I wouldnt say exactly; it’s from a ~250 to 315 hip to heel Z height - which is pretty significant. The steering wheel angle also changes.
 
Has this thread stopped being 'show us your motors' and became 'lets moan about SUVs and such'?!

Allow me to blend the two concepts and get the thread back on track a little by posting a picture of our new (used) car.

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We upgraded our Kia Sorento to.....a newer Kia Sorento. I wasn't going to bother posting it at all, becuase it's really just a dependable workhorse that I don't really have much interest in. But seeing as the thread now seems to be moaning about them, have at it :p
 
Actually looks pretty good, Kia have come a long way in recent years.

I've never understood the hate directed at SUVs. I'd have a new Range Rover Vogue over pretty much any other car on the market: as much as I love estate cars such as the RS6, they wouldn't do everything I need half as well as an SUV.
 
One last picture, collected and gone. I'll miss the noise and the seat shove. And the actually owning a decent nick car worth more than a few pence! :p

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I like the new Kia Sorento. They used to be crap. Now they seem pretty great value. Styling inside and out has come on leaps and bounds. I assume other areas are the same.
 
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