Side hustles?

I've just been contacted by someone looking for an accountant, as HMRC has just contacted them after being informed they were potentially making an income on the side.

I asked what was their side business...."Only Fans" :D

I'm involved in the car scene (shows meets etc) and loads of "car girls" decided to become prostitutes via OF. Several of them are moaning thst HMRC are 'on their backs'


" car girls in this instance meaning getting mum and dad to finance a high end car and then pretend 'living best life through hardwork'. Essentially bumper bunnies who wanted more attention.
 
I've just been contacted by someone looking for an accountant, as HMRC has just contacted them after being informed they were potentially making an income on the side.

I asked what was their side business...."Only Fans" :D

The rules on self-employment say that you only need to tell HMRC that you are moonlighting if you are making more than £1,000 per year profit. To prevent their time being wasted by the small fry, rather like the rules on businesses who have to register for VAT. Isn't that still the case?

Hence, just having an Only Fans (content selling) account does not automatically mean its owner is breaking any tax rules. Although, given that the transactions are all recorded on the website it would be easy to prove that someone has earned enough money (in addition to their day job) to breach the personal allowance threshold and owe income tax on their earnings. The same cannot be said for many other sex-industry websites though, where it's all cash-in-hand upon meeting! LOL

I'm involved in the car scene (shows meets etc) and loads of "car girls" decided to become prostitutes via OF. Several of them are moaning thst HMRC are 'on their backs'

" car girls in this instance meaning getting mum and dad to finance a high end car and then pretend 'living best life through hardwork'. Essentially bumper bunnies who wanted more attention.

Surely, people selling content on OF are basically just self-employed strippers not prostitutes?

When I was a student I had a close friend whose girlfriend (also a student) was an escort. She did it all through a website not an agency. He wanted her to stop as he worried about her safety, but he didn't feel like he had the right to ask her to because she could earn £600 just for an over-nighter with one of her regular bored middle-aged businessmen clients. (Obviously, that was a very useful amount of money for little of her time/effort so it would have been a sacrifice for her to give it up.)

However, I do wonder if having her name and address reported to HMRC by that website's owners (if it was a statutory duty to do so) might have been a problem for her in later life. I mean if she becomes a school teacher, nurse, social worker, civil servant, (let alone a Policewoman/CPS employee/solicitor) many years later; being known by a government department to have worked as an escort, even for a brief period, at one point in her life might be problematic?

If someone is earning their money legally and paying income tax on their earnings above the personal allowance threshold and there is no "reasonable suspicion" that they are doing otherwise then I don't see how it's HMRC's business what exactly they are doing as their side hustle. I mean no one who moonlights as a self-employed stripper (OF) or an escort is going to say that's their second occupation on their self-assessment tax return! They're going to put "dancer", "model", "entertainer" or something similar down.
 
If you look at the post I quoted it was about how HMRC are now pressuring the gig economy companies to report their users income directly so they can see if its being declared.

The rules on self-employment say that you only need to tell HMRC that you are moonlighting if you are making more than £1,000 per year profit. To prevent their time being wasted by the small fry, rather like the rules on businesses who have to register for VAT. Isn't that still the case?

That's correct. So the logical deduction is A) OF have started to comply with HMRC and declare users income and B) in this case it's significant enough for HMRC to contact the user directly.

Which then..
If someone is earning their money legally and paying income tax on their earnings above the personal allowance threshold and there is no "reasonable suspicion" that they are doing otherwise then I don't see how it's HMRC's business what exactly they are doing as their side hustle.

means it is their business as the person obviously hasn't been declaring it.
 
Surely, people selling content on OF are basically just self-employed strippers not prostitutes?

Pretty much all those that start OF with the intent of just nude photos then find that no-one is buying static/vanilla images so they then start with sex acts and fantasy videos, even as far as getting others involved.

In any case, even stripping is a form of prostitution. Selling your body specifically for the sexual gratification of others.
 
FACTS!!! side hustles are a waste of time unless it's paying you more than if you did overtime at your primary job.. and if it did... why isn't it your main job?

Unless your doing it for fun or you are learning from it, it's a waste of time.

As has been said, not true. So many factors at play. Overtime isn't always possible, side hustles can be done more flexibly but with less security/opportunity/scale. They're often supplementary with little room for growth - and then yeah, if there is room for growth it often does become someone's primary source of income.

I often buy and sell random stuff where I see an opportunity. Its not scalable but it often takes literally minutes in the evening on my phone. Much like having a dessert when full, my brain's done with my 'day job' but I've stilll got brain space to play around doing something totally different.
 
Pretty much all those that start OF with the intent of just nude photos then find that no-one is buying static/vanilla images so they then start with sex acts and fantasy videos, even as far as getting others involved.

In any case, even stripping is a form of prostitution. Selling your body specifically for the sexual gratification of others.
Oldest business, and long may it continue. We all pay for it in one way or another.
 
Me and the kids got back in to Games Workshop during lockdown and I now do commissions. Before we moved it was getting to the point it could take over but I'm having to get set up again to be able to carry on.
 
If you look at the post I quoted it was about how HMRC are now pressuring the gig economy companies to report their users income directly so they can see if its being declared.

That post said this:

Just be forewarned that HMRC is starting a huge crackdown on side hustles and "gig economy" jobs next year.

Big platform providers such as Etsy, Fiverr, Just Eat, Deliveroo, AirBnB etc have all be warned to comply or else

It wasn't explicitly stated what rules these websites/apps would have to comply with. Your reply stated: 'HMRC has just contacted them after being informed they were potentially making an income on the side' suggesting that they may not be making more than £1,000 per year and might just have an active seller's account on one of those platforms.

FACTS!!! side hustles are a waste of time unless it's paying you more than if you did overtime at your primary job.. and if it did... why isn't it your main job?

In none of my roles as an academic research scientist was I ever offered any overtime pay (even when we were once expected to work to 3 AM in the lab before a critical deadline). Many professions expect you to keep your nose to the grindstone for basic pay only.

In any case, even stripping is a form of prostitution. Selling your body specifically for the sexual gratification of others.

If they were doing it for free would that be just fine then?

If someone is skint and time-poor (full-time student) and can earn national minimum wage working as a waitress or £150 an hour as a self-employed stripper/webcam performer (working in a safe environment away from their clients) would you really insist they do the former job on general principle?
 
If someone is skint and time-poor (full-time student) and can earn national minimum wage working as a waitress or £150 an hour as a self-employed stripper/webcam performer (working in a safe environment away from their clients) would you really insist they do the former job on general principle?

The thing is a LOT of the girls that prostitute themselves on OF seem to think that it won't affect there later life or in many cases the lives of their currently infant kids. There are MANY former OF girls that already regret the decision.

There was a recent one on a podcast. She'd done OF to help pay for the last year or so of law school. She passed all of her exams and gained her degree. She currently works in a supermarket because no law firm will employ her due to the OF history.
Other regret stories include their kid getting mercifully bullied because regardless of the OF paywall images of mum spaffing her clunge for £3.99 made it to the playground.

It's also worth mentioning that Onlyfans wasn't originally a prostitution ring. It was setup as a Twitch/Patreon rolled into one platform. The creators even tried to ban 18+ content and were overruled by their investors/shareholder who saw £££.
 
The thing is a LOT of the girls that prostitute themselves on OF seem to think that it won't affect there later life or in many cases the lives of their currently infant kids. There are MANY former OF girls that already regret the decision.

There was a recent one on a podcast. She'd done OF to help pay for the last year or so of law school. She passed all of her exams and gained her degree. She currently works in a supermarket because no law firm will employ her due to the OF history.
Other regret stories include their kid getting mercifully bullied because regardless of the OF paywall images of mum spaffing her clunge for £3.99 made it to the playground.

It's also worth mentioning that Onlyfans wasn't originally a prostitution ring. It was setup as a Twitch/Patreon rolled into one platform. The creators even tried to ban 18+ content and were overruled by their investors/shareholder who saw £££.
Imo issues with OF is a case of reap what you sow. If you show pics online, expect them to exist forever.
 
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It's also worth mentioning that Onlyfans wasn't originally a prostitution ring. It was setup as a Twitch/Patreon rolled into one platform. The creators even tried to ban 18+ content and were overruled by their investors/shareholder who saw £££.

Wait what??? The OF creators attempted to ban 18+ content seems like quite a bold claim. What's the source for that?
 
Wait what??? The OF creators attempted to ban 18+ content seems like quite a bold claim. What's the source for that?
Technically not an answer to your question, but I do recall OF did want to distance themselves from 18+ content at some point. Not sure if an outright ban was proposed though.
 
Technically not an answer to your question, but I do recall OF did want to distance themselves from 18+ content at some point. Not sure if an outright ban was proposed though.

There was a brief thing in relation to banks/payment providers they also want to broaden their revenue streams and appeal to non-sexual creators.

I guess maybe Resident could be muddling that, it certainly doesn't seem to be the choice of the founder or the majority owner though both of whom owned other adult/pornographic businesses.
 
Technically not an answer to your question, but I do recall OF did want to distance themselves from 18+ content at some point. Not sure if an outright ban was proposed though.

There was a brief thing in relation to banks/payment providers they also want to broaden their revenue streams and appeal to non-sexual creators.

I guess maybe Resident could be muddling that, it certainly doesn't seem to be the choice of the founder or the majority owner though both of whom owned other adult/pornographic businesses.

I only got the cliff notes at the time but a quick google suggests that OF banned content because US banks were closing accounts of creators & of any platform that supported them
 
Imo issues with OF is a case of reap what you sow. If you show pics online, expect them to exist forever.

This is the issue. Most of them don't. They live in this idiotic bubble thought that it all stays contained within OF and once they stop it disappears into the ether.

Obviously when that bubble bursts it's 'woe is me' or 'everyone's wrong' attitudes. No personal reflection on their own actions & when it's pointed out the feminists and white knights scream 'victim blaming'
 
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