Unfortunately we're debating against people with no first hand experience of firearms and the culture around them in the UK. You're ******* in the wind because you'll never sway their opinion.
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Unfortunately we're debating against people with no first hand experience of firearms and the culture around them in the UK. You're ******* in the wind because you'll never sway their opinion.
I don't know what sports or hobbies you enjoy but scale the numbers up enough and someone has probably died from it (no matter how stupid).
I mean, do you like alcohol at all for example? Say we could save one child's life from a drunk driver by completely banning alcohol - your argument is that that is a no brainer? Surely you can see the foolishness of it? Everything is a balance of risk versus freedom.
Yes, this is my fear. They would soon change their tune if it was something they liked or enjoyed.
Id like to think a few logical examples and well rounded arguments might win over a few on the margin though!
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Pets are shown to be very beneficial for mental health.
I don't think swords and guns are...
Hobbies and interests generally are good for people's mental health whatever they are.
It is like banning all cars faster than say 40MPH in case someone gets hurt... bare with me... especially racing cars, screw licensing anything faster so people can enjoy racing them on the track because there is a tiny chance someone might use one to hurt people - they can find another hobby...
It is a cheap and easy fix when you aren't affected by it except when it goes wrong - screw anyone who finds enjoyment from it they can do something else instead.
some would, i wouldn't. i've been clay pigeon shooting a few times and hugely enjoyed it. i would love to own a gun but i will never keep one in the house. guns for leisure use have no place in a domestic setting, in my opinion.
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Do people have no restraint? Whinging that guns shouldn't be banned in a thread about a mass murdering gun man? Show a bit of decorum.
Goes both ways.
Not sure how you turned the race card in on this as women can be just as racist as men - it's not dictated by gender (male/female)
Education and support is definitely important and I wonder if the lack of support for men in things like mental health, being victims in abusive relationships, suicide prevention etc are drivers in a lot of bad outcomes.
There are huge support networks in place for women in these areas compared to men who are still more likely to either be ridiculed/dismissed than supported or fear the ridicule/dismissal so don't come forward.
A fair opinion, you sound like someone who could take it or leave it.
Those that are really into it like to have their own personal gun, which they clean and mod and tinker with a bit like someone who is into cars might - remember a shotgun should be 'fitted' its quite a personal thing. Some people will get a kick out of collecting and others actually buy fancy shotguns as an investment, none of these guys would go for having a bog standard gun stored at the range.
Personally, 50% of the hobby is the shooting, the other 50% is research, learning and tinkering (rifles mainly).
I don't reload my own ammunition but lots of guys do - they are literally spending years perfecting the perfect bullet to match their gun for shooting a particular distance - its equally impressive and anal at the same time
I'd happily ban pets too, tbh.
It's surprisingly easy. The one and only time I went clay pigeon shooting I was getting quite good at it after about 10 mins.
No, but the reunification of Europe after WW2 was. The Soviet Bloc crumbled in part because the people of the various satellite states, including East Germany in particular, embraced a more liberal politic.
Tyranny of the majority I suppose is the logical argument here.
What percentage of the population has to engage with something for the risk to those not involved to be worth it?
I can't think of a single example as one-sided as gun ownership can you?
Prohibition showed that banning alchoholcauses more problems than alcohol
Because road transport is esential for modern life
Legal gun ownership for sport is utterly pointless?
I went off his500k forgot to x100
But I this case your numbers 1.26% of the population own guns and just one of them account for 1% of the murder rate.
That's a worrying statistic isn't it
Yes dear I quickly did it and forgot to x by 100.
Kind of obvious but it's a pointless argument on the Internet so not world ending.
And the numbers are all still a little meaningless in the context aren't they given the magnitute
Maybe you should have followed your own advice at the start of the thread, when you were singing a ******* song.
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I've just read that he had to attend an anger management course and it was after he finished that, he was given his guns back?!