Silvio Berlusconi is dead

[randal]

Yeah my disagreement isn't with that necessarily, more with the framing that it's a bad thing.

Right wing in it's purest form, sure. But modern right wing politics isn't all about pro-capitalst ideals as a primary motivation, modern right wing politics is about nationalism and the xenophobia and racism it taps in to in order to secure the vote. It's also heavily reliant on using cherry picking divisive religious sentiments and weaponising them. It is now the politics of emotion (primarily anger), and when the voting populous are sufficiently ensnared into the lies the politicians of the right start to do whatever the hell they want.

I cannot see how this is anything but a bad thing sadly.

 

[Chris Wilson]

Indeed, Hitler was charismatic and popular, which is why Chris admires him

I wouldn't say Hitler was particularly charismatc, but his slickly run and enthusiastic war machine took on and very nearly won against a huge array of opposition without begging for and getting virtually unlimited financial and military material support from the USA and most of Europe, unlike a place I could mention

 

[robfosters]

Lol, every sub is on blackout I don't know how to survive disconnected from the hive!


I should have put that in quotation marks, but the man's ability for wriggling out of scandals and emerging unscathed with a cheeky smile and a pelvic thrust was bordering legendary. There's even an extensive wiki page on his legal wranglings: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trials_and_allegations_involving_Silvio_Berlusconi


I stand by the notion that he was there at the start when right leaning politics swept across Europe, Berlusconi paved the way for the Marine Le Pens, The Salvinis and Melonis, The AFD and so on.

So what, right wing politics is just as deserving of a place in the system as left wing politics is.

 

[Monkeynut]

I wouldn't say Hitler was particularly charismatc, but his slickly run and enthusiastic war machine took on and very nearly won against a huge array of opposition without begging for and getting virtually unlimited financial and military material support from the USA and most of Europe, unlike a place I could mention

Hitler didn't beg for support because he just stole his own populations wealth to do it... And then slaughtered a good chunk of them.

 

[Chris Wilson]

Money alone doesn't make the mightiest and most successful fighting force in living memory. It needs infrastructure, manufacturing and previous commitment to onward going self sufficiency.

 

[Freakbro]

Hitler didn't beg for support because he just stole his own populations wealth to do it... And then slaughtered a good chunk of them.

Inconvenient facts Chris likes to overlook while lounging in his fantasies of authoritarian despots.

 

[Zefan]

yeah, fascism is great. Germany went downhill ever since the lunatic left murdered Hitler

Oh wow you're so right. Sorry I mean correct, the word right is harem.

This thread is magical <3

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

yeah, fascism is great. Germany went downhill ever since the lunatic left murdered Hitler

Hitler committed sucide...

Oh I get you.

 

[randal]

So what, right wing politics is just as deserving of a place in the system as left wing politics is.

I never said it wasn't. I said the current form of right wing politics is perverted by xenophobia, racism and cherry picked religious talking points designed to stoke emotion and anger.

There should be balance to the left absolutely, but the current form of right wing politics is a distorted form of it.

 

[Chris Wilson]

I never said it wasn't. I said the current form of right wing politics is perverted by xenophobia, racism and cherry picked religious talking points designed to stoke emotion and anger.

There should be balance to the left absolutely, but the current form of right wing politics is a distorted form of it.

It's called evolving due to voter's and party member's perception and desired responses to world and local change I guess

 

[randal]

It's called evolving due to voter's and party member's perception and desired responses to world and local change I guess

Is it a positive evolution though?

 

[robfosters]

Is it a positive evolution though?

What’s negative to you might be positive to others.

Its not all about you.

 

[Chuk_Chuk]

I never said it wasn't. I said the current form of right wing politics is perverted by xenophobia, racism and cherry picked religious talking points designed to stoke emotion and anger.

There should be balance to the left absolutely, but the current form of right wing politics is a distorted form of it.

Out of curiosity. Do you think left wing politics has been perverted and if yes by what?

 

[randal]

What’s negative to you might be positive to others.

Its not all about you.

I find xenophobia, racism and the weaponisation of religion to be a bad thing, are you saying otherwise then?

 

[randal]

Out of curiosity. Do you think left wing politics has been perverted and if yes by what?

Yes, I think it has. Similarly to right wing politics, there is an element of emotional entanglement. Over sensitivity to certain causes makes it nigh on impossible to achieve a levelling of social demographics, it's "them against us" as much in the Left as it is in the Right.

Lefties don't tend to hold on to power for too long as their idealism is often overridden by the right's louder, even more emotive, and better funded bases.

 

[GGizmo]

I liked him. Though like everyone, he was a flawed character too.

 

[Mrwong]

I never said it wasn't. I said the current form of right wing politics is perverted by xenophobia, racism and cherry picked religious talking points designed to stoke emotion and anger.

There should be balance to the left absolutely, but the current form of right wing politics is a distorted form of it.

left wing violence more or equal than the right wing.

 

[sigma]

I find xenophobia, racism and the weaponisation of religion to be a bad thing, are you saying otherwise then?

This forum is steeped (founded) in those ideologies, I'm surprised you're unaware of this.

 

[Chris Wilson]

This forum is steeped (founded) in those ideologies, I'm surprised you're unaware of this.

What the **** happened? Just kidding, but times change, stop harping back to how contentious opinion was successfully castrated, you got your way.

 

[D.P.]

Hitler committed sucide...

Oh I get you.

That is what you the radical socialist ice pellets want you to believe, but he was an innocent man who only wanted the best for his (aryan) mankind and was savagely murdered while trying to keep poor jewish children warm