Singapore Grand Prix 2015, Marina Bay - Race 13/19

(cough "Lorenzo sets new lap record to claim pole at Jerez" Cough)

"Movistar Yamaha’s Jorge Lorenzo sent the Spanish fans into rapture by setting a 1’37.910, the only time anyone has ever been under the 1’38 mark on two wheels at the Spanish circuit"

Never give up. Never surrender :D

For ****'s sake deuse, if you aren't actually reading what I'm typing then what is the point in trying to engage in a debate?

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They didn't break the outright record at Jerez (stood since 2011 IIRC) in Moto2 for example.

I was talking about that Moto2 race at Jerez in response to your claim that EVERY race in MotoGP, Moto2 and Moto3 had seen the lap record broken. Which is plainly wrong. The sooner you admit that, the sooner I'll drop this.
 
Now lets look at some lap times done in the race with a very very old V10.
F1 is getting very slow. Unlike MotoGp were they break the lap record in the race at every track every year.

Oh and the sound of those V10s ..music to my ears. Unlike the sound of farts we have now.

Sorry I didn't know the goal posts kept moving. It's probably easier for everyone to say you don't like the current F1 power units period, rather than trying to keep justifying it.
 
For ****'s sake deuse, if you aren't actually reading what I'm typing then what is the point in trying to engage in a debate?



I was talking about that Moto2 race at Jerez in response to your claim that EVERY race in MotoGP, Moto2 and Moto3 had seen the lap record broken. Which is plainly wrong. The sooner you admit that, the sooner I'll drop this.

I did say (in the end) all moto series :) So I'm still right.
Never give up. Never Surrender..:D

Sorry I didn't know the goal posts kept moving. It's probably easier for everyone to say you don't like the current F1 power units period, rather than trying to keep justifying it.

Well 45% of viewers\followers can't be wrong.
 
I did say (in the end) all moto series :) So I'm still right.
Never give up. Never Surrender..:D

Explain, please. Because I'm clearly missing something. Tell me which step I missed:


  1. You say that MotoGP breaks "the lap record in the race at every track every year".
  2. I point out that this is wrong.
  3. You 'amend' to say that it happens in Moto2 and Moto3 as well.
  4. I point out that you're also wrong about Moto2. I didn't feel the need at this point to go looking for Moto3 results.
  5. You then post a bizarre point about how Jorge Lorenzo broke the lap record at Jerez in 2015's MotoGP race (which I believe I also stated in post #456, but what the hell) in response to my saying that the lap record wasn't broken in the Moto2 race at Jerez.
Does that about sum up the state of play?


OK so we have established that deuse is just a career troll.

Apparently.
 
Revenue going to the rights holder, some of which then gets fed down to teams, is one thing... but then there are the revenues from sponsorship which are affected by the numbers of viewers.

People presume that 50mil viewers is worth less than 100mil viewers to sponsors, it isn't. The type of viewer effects the sponsorship. People watching sky and paying for a subscription generally means the viewers are more well off which means sponsors are advertising to richer viewers in general.

In reality the drop in sponsorship is just because the tobacco companies spent absurd money on sponsorship, they had a product with monumental profit, massive sales and had the money to throw around. Other companies have less good profits and more realistic sponsorship deals to hand out. It's got very little to do with viewers going down. Sponsorship went down when tobacco advertising was banned, not when viewing figures went down.
 
May as well add that the BBC’s audience is down 25 percent, with Sky Sports F1 down 32 percent year-on-year(2015)
As I've said..F1 is dying a slow death.


http://www.forbes.com/sites/csylt/2015/02/01/f1-loses-25-million-viewers-driven-by-switch-to-pay-tv/

The consequence of this is that although the number of TV viewers has slightly reduced, they are more likely to have a higher disposable income and fervently follow the sport which in turn makes them more valuable to F1’s sponsors. Testimony to this, although the viewer numbers in Britain fell by 1.5 million to 27.6 million last year, the report reveals that “average race audiences actually improved year-on-year. This is where the term ‘committed viewer’ is relevant; the proportion of viewers classified as ‘medium’ and ‘heavy’ both increased by 15% for the dedicated Sky F1 channel, the overall loss has come from fewer casual viewers on the BBC.”


So really you're talking nonsense, as per usual.

Let's try some facts shall we, you got the 32% figure from maybe here

https://f1broadcasting.wordpress.co...ld-cup-kicks-singapore-grand-prix-into-touch/

This is saying Singapore, this race SPECIFICALLY was down year on year because the rubgy world cup was in at the same damn time. It does not anywhere come close to saying viewing figures are down 32% on sky or 25% on BBC for the year.

https://f1broadcasting.wordpress.com/2015/08/24/belgium-draws-identical-audience-year-on-year/

You could guess from the link name but Spa had the same viewing numbers this year as last year, no drop at all, none. You're making up numbers and entirely misrepresenting others to make your argument. Sky was factually not down 32% for 2015, it was down 32% for a SINGLE race.

Viewing figures are down a small amount, every reputable source offering analysis of this says it's down to subscription TV and was expected before even going the paid tv route. Every sport that goes subscription tv gets less viewers, more money and the viewers they get are worth more to sponsors.

Spa is a good race that people like, it was a good race last year, offers overtaking, high speed, excitement and upsets.... it had the same viewing ratings this year. Singapore is a bad race, it offers little to no overtaking, is fairly slow, looks good because it's night time but always has a safety car and rarely has actually good racing. It was also scheduled against a game millions of people wanted to watch so viewers were down, entirely expected, easily explainable and absolutely not indicative of any overall trend for the year.


https://f1broadcasting.wordpress.com/2015/08/12/uk-f1-tv-viewing-figures-rise-but-sky-hit-the-skids/

Lets go here, oh right, BBC numbers are actually up 12%... sky is down(because it got more expensive this year). The overall numbers are up and it's fairly clear that fans want to watch with free to air increasing, but that people don't want to pay. If Sky was significantly cheaper then many more people would subscribe but they'd get less money and those viewers would be worth less to sponsors.

There is no indication anywhere of F1 slowly dying, picking a single race to attempt to demonstrate a big loss in viewers is beyond ridiculous, it's actively trolling or you showing you're incapable of what is incredibly simple analysis.


Silverstone viewers were up 27% this year as the race didn't clash with Wimbledon, Singapore was down about what 27% on average total because there was rubgy on at the same time.

Sports events clashing cause dramatic swing in viewers in ALL sports and we can see numbers showing the swing up and down in F1 races. F1 also doesn't as yet count streamers, I for one haven't watched a single race not through Sky GO this year and millions of people worldwide stream it.
 
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Wait until he finds out that I recently had the race on in one room on Sky and in another room on BBC. Doubtless he'll claim that this is further evidence that viewer numbers are dropping even more than is recorded due to double counting :D
 
@JRS I know what I said you're just bending it. I'm still right by what I said :)

Unlike MotoGp were they break the lap record in the race at every track every year.

should have said Moto2 moto3 as well.

Unless you're using some different definition of "every" to the one that I'm familiar with, then I'm going to have to assume that you actually DON'T know what you said. Because, as I attempted to point out to you earlier, they don't in fact break the track record at every race that they go to.

So, any bending there?
 
F1 still lost globally over 40% of viewers from 2008. I'm not arguing about sky\bbc or who ever.
The facts still stand which ever way you look at it. Now go and do another A4 page of trip. :)

@JRS I know what I said you're just bending it. I'm still right by what I said :)

The facts don't stand, you made one up and if 2014 regulations are killing viewers and F1 is slowly dying, then why has the viewership been dropping since 2008?

You said Sky viewers had gone down 32% this year compared to last year, you were completely wrong, and now you're back to 40% since 2008 which is STILL WRONG. 600mil in 2008 down to 425mil last year is an under 30% drop. But keep using completely incorrect numbers that show a drop over a 7 year period as a reason the current regulations have killed F1, go ahead.
 
Reduction in viewers doesn't concern Bernie or the teams in the slightest as the drops are mostly in 'mature' countries where sponsors are mainly preaching to the converted and if the drop is due to pay TV then Bernie again doesn't care as long as the money he and CVC get increases, and it has been. Sponsors are pushing for more races in new territories where consumers are seeing their incomes rise so are now looking to buy luxuries such as Rolex watches, Mercedes cars, mobile phone contracts, booze and energy drinks. Overall viewership, to Bernie at least, doesn't matter.
 
Yup, doesn't matter to anyone in sport. Viewing figures going up is a good thing when comparing like for like. IE if everyone worldwide was getting F1 free to air and figures were going down that would be a bad thing. When you are moving the market over to subscription based services, revenues are going up by a billion over the same period, the teams are getting more money, there is an increase in revenue as the viewers go down then it doesn't matter.

Big sport goes subscription tv, the only worthwhile comparison is one year to the next with the same tv services at the SAME price. There will be a sweet spot they find, where increasing prices decreases subscribers to a degree they make less money at which point they'll bring prices back till they make higher profits again.

Profits matter to these people, income and revenue, how many people doesn't matter. 600million viewers and 500million income or 425million viewers and 1.5billion income... honestly doesn't take a genius to work out why it doesn't matter how many people are watching. If it's financially healthy it continues, a billion viewers and no profit would cause F1 to fail, more money and less viewers is fine(obviously there is a tipping point, but they are no where near it).
 
I know these threads can be a bit quiet, but just use the ignore function already - it's deuse vs the entire forum on a good number of these threads (yes, I side with the forum at large of course).

Scares people off from posting I'd wager.
 
I know these threads can be a bit quiet, but just use the ignore function already - it's deuse vs the entire forum on a good number of these threads (yes, I side with the forum at large of course).

Scares people off from posting I'd wager.

It would scare more people off if the nonsense spouted was ignored by the regulars and left to fester all on its own.
 
It would scare more people off if the nonsense spouted was ignored by the regulars and left to fester all on its own.

Just about the only thing keeping me posting in the Motorsport section is the refusal to let out-and-out nonsense go unchallenged. But I guess I should have learned the lesson that the 'is Windows 10 the worst version evarrr!!111oneoneone' thread was trying to teach me. I think my last response to him in that thread says it best:

No chance of forming a coherent argument then? Just an insult? Hey ho :/

God I'm bored of some of the people on here....
 
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