Skylake Clockspeeds and benchmarks!

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 28 Jun 2015 at 17:13

Orangey said:
DX12 won't be a factor for at least 2 years. It takes ages for a new API to get momentum. DX10 had a total of like 1 game before DX11 rolled around.

I think DX12 will start to see quicker adoption TBF,especially since there is even a push from Intel for it,primarily to reduce power consumption.

I can only see Skylake being maybe of some incremental use in certain MMOs still running on old lightly threaded engines and perhaps some RTS games.

The thing is just like with Broadwell,Intel is targeting low power areas like laptops and SFF PCs,more than out and out performance. Even Zen,is going to be probably more of the same. This is why we are getting insane laptops like this:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/9401/the-msi-gt80-titan-review

All the process nodes are now going towards density and power saving more than massive clockspeeds,which is not so good for desktop versions.

Despite all the hype with Haswell being the next big thing and then Broadwell on this very forum for desktop,I don't really think its going to be worth anyone upgrading from a more recent Core i7 CPU to it,especially with things like higher res monitors,VR and so on,we are primarily still bottlenecked by the power of graphics cards.

Anybody with recent Core i7s are going to be fine.

Also,the main IPC uplift was the previous generations to SB. What SB bought was far greater clockspeeds at stock and when overclocked,plus much lower power consumption too and much less cooling requirements.

32NM was probably the last process node Intel made especially with a desktop orientation. 22NM,14NM and 10NM are more orientated towards power saving,and its even more apparent with TSMC and GF now. This is why I suspect Zen might be more limited by clockspeeds and will need that IPC increase to compensate.

Gazb · 28 Jun 2015 at 18:06

Currently trying to decide between an i7 Skylake or a Haswell-E.

The IPC performance increase may outweigh the extra 6 cores especially for gaming.
plus it'll likely run much cooler and use less power. (Probably save me £100-200 too)
However there's a strong chance Intel will disable some of the virtualization instructions on the Skylake i7, like they have done previously so if I'm doing much VM work I'd either need to use my current pc or go for Haswell-E.

Sylver123 · 28 Jun 2015 at 18:48

If it is true that Intel has abandoned Broadwell, including Broadwell-E for the X99 platform for Skylake and a Skylake-E release earlier than expected, I wonder
if that means Intel are threatened by AMD Zen and knows even the X99 Haswell-E/Broadwell-E is not going to be fast enough to beat AMD Zen?

Why else would they push out Skylake-E earlier than expected?

I guess there is not a lot us X99 platform users can do about the fact that this platform is getting no more processor refreshes and is dead already.

I see there is still some confusion thought what socket Skylake-E will actually be on. Some are still suggestion of a Skylake-E being
possible compatible with the X99 platform or being on another new high end socket platform that Intel will be releasing
to take over the X99 platform at the high end of the market.

Jokester · 28 Jun 2015 at 18:59

Broadwell has been a bit of a failure for Intel, nothing to do with Zen - it's been on shaky ground for the best part of year knowing that Skylake was likely to be very soon after it.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 28 Jun 2015 at 19:27

AFAIK,its more to do with 14NM being delayed.

Greebo · 29 Jun 2015 at 07:38

I have the updrade itch. Still running an i7-950 at 4.2Ghz.

|Is skylake going to be a big boost or should i try and pick up a bargain current cpu and mobo?

setter · 29 Jun 2015 at 07:46

About 30% faster than sandybridge. Not much quicker than current haswell though. You may be able to pick up a haswell setup for a good price due to ones selling on to move to skylake.

Flying_Hellfish · 29 Jun 2015 at 16:43

Watching this with interest.

Jiggy · 29 Jun 2015 at 16:58

^What he said. I'm currently using an i5-3570k coupled with an HD7970 & 8gb at 1080p, which I've owned for 3 years now. It's starting to show its age when running the latest and demanding games.

I suppose my ultimate desire is to run a rig that is capable of running @ 60fps on a single GPU at 4k - all with the highest settings...

DragonQ · 29 Jun 2015 at 17:02

Why not 2160p @ 120 Hz? Dream big.

Dave2150 · 29 Jun 2015 at 17:35

Sylver123 said:
If it is true that Intel has abandoned Broadwell, including Broadwell-E for the X99 platform for Skylake and a Skylake-E release earlier than expected, I wonder
if that means Intel are threatened by AMD Zen and knows even the X99 Haswell-E/Broadwell-E is not going to be fast enough to beat AMD Zen?

Why else would they push out Skylake-E earlier than expected?

I guess there is not a lot us X99 platform users can do about the fact that this platform is getting no more processor refreshes and is dead already.

I see there is still some confusion thought what socket Skylake-E will actually be on. Some are still suggestion of a Skylake-E being
possible compatible with the X99 platform or being on another new high end socket platform that Intel will be releasing
to take over the X99 platform at the high end of the market.

Broadwell for desktop is available to buy right now, has been for a week or two.

Broadwell-E hasn't been cancelled (according to latest roadmaps) so expect that sometime early next year.

Skylake-E will not be compatible with X99, and will most likely be released in 2017.

Orangey · 29 Jun 2015 at 21:19

http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2015/2015061701_More_details_on_Intel_Purley_platform.html

No idea how much of that will trickle down to Skylake-E. That's a lot more pins though.

CAT-THE-FIFTH · 30 Jun 2015 at 11:38

Jiggy said:
^What he said. I'm currently using an i5-3570k coupled with an HD7970 & 8gb at 1080p, which I've owned for 3 years now. It's starting to show its age when running the latest and demanding games.

I suppose my ultimate desire is to run a rig that is capable of running @ 60fps on a single GPU at 4k - all with the highest settings...

You will still be more GPU limited though.

IanBassi · 30 Jun 2015 at 12:44

MY Q6600 will be 8 years old in August, so it feels like the perfect time to upgrade to a new PC once Skylake is released.

Spuddy · 30 Jun 2015 at 18:28

Jiggy said:
^What he said. I'm currently using an i5-3570k coupled with an HD7970 & 8gb at 1080p, which I've owned for 3 years now. It's starting to show its age when running the latest and demanding games.

I suppose my ultimate desire is to run a rig that is capable of running @ 60fps on a single GPU at 4k - all with the highest settings...

I think your money would be better spent on a new GPU personally.

Dave2150 · 1 Jul 2015 at 14:48

IanBassi said:
MY Q6600 will be 8 years old in August, so it feels like the perfect time to upgrade to a new PC once Skylake is released.

Quite a few Q6600 and I7 920 owners in here ready to buy Skylake, not long to wait

Orangey · 1 Jul 2015 at 18:31

Welp, only a month to go now (possibly)... hopefully last leaks will show up v soon

C64 · 2 Jul 2015 at 06:33

I am not too excited about it whats the point if 99% of games will be console ports and games themselves held back by the xbox one and ps4 hardware.
Whats going to happen are we going to get more dumbed down pc versions that run badly on top end hardware like the batman game ?

Dave2150 · 2 Jul 2015 at 14:38

Some news about Skylake prices - looks to be 13-19% more expensive than the Haswell equivalents:

http://www.cpu-world.com/news_2015/2015063001_Pre-order_prices_of_Skylake_desktop_CPUs.html

I have no problem with these higher prices as long as the performance is there. We have to remember Intel have no competition and could have stuck with the 4790k as the top mainstream CPU for the next few years and it would have still sold well. Instead we have 14nm CPU's, a new architecture and a new chipset.

esoteric · 2 Jul 2015 at 17:50

So about £295 at the lowest for a 6700k.