sleeping pills

Why didn't you just make yourself sick after taking them? Not looking at what you're taking, before doing so, is very irresponsible.
 
JoeMama said:
There aren't any OTC or prescribed sleeping tablets that would kill you on their own, thankfully, unless i supposed you had a rare allergy to them. There used to be but they aren't prescribed anymore.



There are some anti-histamines that can be used as sleeping pills but not all sleeping tablets contain them.
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Every OTC sleeping tablet I've seen contains dramamine/diphenhydramine as the active ingredient.
 
lord filbuster said:
Ummmm, zopiclone or zolpidem? and OTC, diphenhydramine? Overdoses can be lethal. a bit irresponisble to say they can't kill you.
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Irresponsible to take an overdose you mean? Zopiclone or diphenhydramine alone is extremely unlikely to kill you. Years ago, barbiturates were sometimes prescribed for insomnia. Now they were lethal, eg seconal. I believe overdoses of this saw the end of Jimi Hendrix and Marilyn Monroe.

gurusan said:
Every OTC sleeping tablet I've seen contains dramamine/diphenhydramine as the active ingredient.
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Most, apart from herbal ones, do. I was talking about all sleeping tablets, prescribed or OTC, including benzodiazepines or hypnotics such as zopiclone, not just OTC.
 
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There is a fairly large step from "there are no sleeping tablets that can kill", to it is unlikely to kill you" But, i'll admit that it is pretty hard to overdose, especially since the doctors don't usually prescribe large amounts of them. Did they really used to give that stuff on presciption? :eek: That's crazy!
Edit: doesn't high doses of diphenhydramine have similar effects to LSD, if that is true it could be a reason people might take enough to cause serious problems.
 
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JoeMama said:
Irresponsible to take an overdose you mean? Zopiclone or diphenhydramine alone is extremely unlikely to kill you. Years ago, barbiturates were sometimes prescribed for insomnia. Now they were lethal, eg seconal. I believe overdoses of this saw the end of Jimi Hendrix and Marilyn Monroe.



Most, apart from herbal ones, do. I was talking about all sleeping tablets, prescribed or OTC, including benzodiazepines or hypnotics such as zopiclone, not just OTC.
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Overdosing on ANYTHING can kill you, whether it be salt, water, or sugar, let alone diphenhydramine. How silly to say otherwise.
 
Robbie G said:
Overdosing on ANYTHING can kill you, whether it be salt, water, or sugar, let alone diphenhydramine. How silly to say otherwise.
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If you read through the thread, the comments were posted in response to a question of how many sleeping pills it would take to commit suicide. Someone who is wanting to take that method to end his/her life is hardly going to drink water or eat copious amounts of sugar or salt to end their life and be successful in their aim.
 
Imagine if he met a big gay guy and he kept coming on to him, the OP responding "Over my dead body" and then he falls asleep.

When did he post last....
 
JoeMama said:
If you read through the thread, the comments were posted in response to a question of how many sleeping pills it would take to commit suicide. Someone who is wanting to take that method to end his/her life is hardly going to drink water or eat copious amounts of sugar or salt to end their life and be successful in their aim.
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You and monkeypuzzled are missing my point, which is that it is very possible to kill yourself with over-the-counter sleeping tablets, and it's irresponsible to say otherwise.
 
Robbie G said:
You and monkeypuzzled are missing my point, which is that it is very possible to kill yourself with over-the-counter sleeping tablets, and it's irresponsible to say otherwise.
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The LD50 in rats for diphenhydramine is 500mg per kg of bodyweight....

so considering strong sleeping tablets containg 25-35mg of diphenhydramine you would have to take a heck of a lot to be in danger of dying. Even if only 100mg/kg killed you and you weighed 65kg, you'd have to somehow ingest 6.5g of dramamine.
 
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It could kill you before that amount though, diphenhydramine slows the respiratory system. Similar to caffiene for example, the LD50 is something like 200mg/kg in rats, which would be ridiculously hard to reach unless you had access to the pure drug, but there have been cases of people requiring hospitalization from much lower doses, because the effects put a lot of strain on the heart.
 
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Whoops, thats what i get for skim reading. Fixed. Still slows breathing though, and tachycardia is probably worse than a slow heart beat. Anyway, the point i was trying to make was that overdosing is still dangerous, even if the LD50 is almost impossible to reach.
 
I don't think anyone has said that overdosing isn't dangerous, just that alone it's highly unlikely to kill you. (Not impossible, as posted earlier!).
 
Robbie G said:
You and monkeypuzzled are missing my point, which is that it is very possible to kill yourself with over-the-counter sleeping tablets, and it's irresponsible to say otherwise.
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Oh right, I didn't get what you meant since you were saying that you could ovedose on anything, and it's irresponsible to think otherwise, so it was ambiguous. Your point's pretty moot though since it's almost impossible to OD on over the counter antihistamines, let alone by accidentally taking two. It's not irresponsible to say that, just as it's not irresponsible to advise people not to drink water because they'd die from electrolyte disturbances if they drank a bathfull of it.
 
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Illicit substances or:

go to bed and call in sick.

TC

Neck four to six cans of Redbull and eat some coffee beans.

Eat some fresh fruit and drink some water.....
 
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