Slight delay on Cannon lake it seems?

[DragonQ]

Couldnt give a monkeys about these "Backdoor" things tbh, they dont infringe on my day to day life, i have absolutely zero to hide and if they manage to stop crazy morons blowing up innocent kids and stuff then im all for it.

Dunno why people get so hot over being "Spied" on etc, oh no im not using Win10 cos MS are spying on me, let me just sit infront of my Samsung TV with my Samsung mobile and browse facebook etc.

The amount of energy you must have to spend getting yourself "off the grid" by removing all the spyware functions on pretty much ANYTHING thats got an internet connection nowdays is mindboggling. Can think of many other ways i'd rather spend the time tbh lol

The fact that you brought out the tired, old "nothing to hide" trope shows you don't know much about the topic, which makes sense because most people don't care enough to research it. People have different priorities and you're right, it is increasingly difficult to avoid "the grid". The fact that even government spokespersons are implying that encryption needs to have backdoors just shows how ill-informed and misguided most people are on the topic (including myself honestly). At least the topic is becoming talked about more rather than being ignored, which is a step in the right direction at least.

This is rather off-topic though, as was the original post about this.

 

[the wopster]

I wonder if Ryzen or any successors available soon will be able to be overclocked to 5ghz like Kabylake

It's pentium D all over again, a ryzen at 3.8/9ghz is better than a 5ghz kabylake

 

[ubersonic]

No PCI-E slots are disabled on my board, to use both M2 slots at full speed it disables a couple of of the SATA ports and the 3rd PCI-E slot runs at 2x rather than 4x, other than that there isn't any downgrade of any features.

Well my point was mainly that your board does the same thing the Ryzen boards you were complaining about do, but yes you're correct the slots are still enabled albeit made useless.

 

[Matkinson]

Still waiting for a worthy successor to my i7 2600.

Ryzen, maybe, waiting for more gaming performance from intel or amd tbh.

 

[Curlyriff]

Still waiting for a worthy successor to my i7 2600.

Ryzen, maybe, waiting for more gaming performance from intel or amd tbh.

There is 30-50% gains going from your current chip to an i7 7700K and Ryzen will be a little below that in some games and higher in others whilst also giving smoother day to day performance. To suggest there isn't a worthy successor I feel is being in denial a little.

Ryzen is going to become especially attractive for gaming rigs if you look at going for the R5 1600 as the price for that with Mobo is cheaper than the 7700K alone by around £20 from the cheapest place to buy online. Add in 16GB of 3200Mhz gskill trident Z rgb for £150 and you are looking at £450 total. Certainly seems like a decent price point these days.

Just a shame that DDR4 has spiked so much making it just so expensive to purchase now. It would have if you had some DDR4 from a year ago been sub £400 for a 6 core CPU setup which is pretty sweet.

 

[ubersonic]

Just a shame that DDR4 has spiked so much making it just so expensive to purchase now.

It's not just DDR4 but all RAM, DDR3 prices have more than tripled in a few years. The price gouging/fixing is strong in this industry

 

[Curlyriff]

It's not just DDR4 but all RAM, DDR3 prices have more than tripled in a few years. The price gouging/fixing is strong in this industry

True but the excuse used to price gouge with DDR4 is that phones are using it now and so there are less chips in a much larger market.

The reason for DDR3 is from my understanding just production levels drop as DDR4 has increased in manufacturing supply requirements. So it still really all stems from DDR4 being the issue. The problem is we are still at least 2 years away from DDR5 as they are only going to finalise the standards next year for it.

 

[ubersonic]

True but the excuse used to price gouge with DDR4 is that phones are using it now and so there are less chips in a much larger market.

The reason for DDR3 is from my understanding just production levels drop as DDR4 has increased in manufacturing supply requirements.

So their excuse for DDR3 prices is that because all of the manufacturing has switched to DDR4 (even though the prices started to balloon a year before DDR4 arrived) they need to charge people more, and their excuse for DDR4 prices is that they can't manufacture enough (despite all the DDR3 production apparently making it now) because the phones now use it (instead of using DDR3) so they need to charge people more.

It's almost as if there was a shortage in 2013 sparking a price jump because of a factory fire and then when everything calmed down they kept the prices artificially inflated then raised them higher and higher while laughing at consumers, or something

 

[Curlyriff]

So their excuse for DDR3 prices is that because all of the manufacturing has switched to DDR4 (even though the prices started to balloon a year before DDR4 arrived) they need to charge people more, and their excuse for DDR4 prices is that they can't manufacture enough (despite all the DDR3 production apparently making it now) because the phones now use it (instead of using DDR3) so they need to charge people more.

It's almost as if there was a shortage in 2013 sparking a price jump because of a factory fire and then when everything calmed down they kept the prices artificially inflated then raised them higher and higher while laughing at consumers, or something

Haha yeah exactly, although that doesn't explain why DDR4 was relative not too badly priced for the first 6 months of release or so?

 

[Chojin]

I'm also on i7 920
A shame my next chip will be bloated with spyware. Richard Stallman advocates neither AMD nor Intel btw.

Once new technologies emerge I think there will be other players in the CPU industry (similar to mechanical HDDs and SSDs). Perhaps China getting in on the act. Sadly Intel and AMD have set a precedence with the backdoors.

Just a shame that DDR4 has spiked so much making it just so expensive to purchase now. It would have if you had some DDR4 from a year ago been sub £400 for a 6 core CPU setup which is pretty sweet.

This is one of the reasons I haven't upgraded from my 920. A Ryzen or another i7 upgrade of around £500+ for a bundle doesn't represent good value to me. It's 2017 and people are still talking about 16GB systems when that was commonplace 5-6 years ago. People have become used to paying more for less.

 

[=XDC=FluphyBunny]

This is one of the reasons I haven't upgraded from my 920. A Ryzen or another i7 upgrade of around £500+ for a bundle doesn't represent good value to me. It's 2017 and people are still talking about 16GB systems when that was commonplace 5-6 years ago. People have become used to paying more for less.

A 8 core 16 thread bundle for £500 is a lot more for a lot less than was previously available.

edit: memory prices have seen a huge rise recently, 16 GB is the sweet spot that covers most peoples intended use. You would be daft buying 32GB of memory at today's prices if you didn't need it.

 

[AllBodies]

A 8 core 16 thread bundle for £500 is a lot more for a lot less than was previously available.

edit: memory prices have seen a huge rise recently, 16 GB is the sweet spot that covers most peoples intended use. You would be daft buying 32GB of memory at today's prices if you didn't need it.

I was lucky to catch a 32GB 3200 MHz kit of Corsair LPX ***cheap elsewhere*** just as Ryzen came on Pre-order.

Not really sure why prices skyrocketed.


Don't competitor hint - Armageus

 

[StarShock]

I was lucky to catch a 32GB 3200 MHz kit of Corsair LPX ***cheap elsewhere*** just as Ryzen came on Pre-order.

Not really sure why prices skyrocketed.

Shortages, for the last year or so demand for dram has outstripped production mostly because of the mobile market. That's being compounded by the weak pound so we're getting the short end of the stick.

 

[Matkinson]

There is 30-50% gains going from your current chip to an i7 7700K and Ryzen will be a little below that in some games and higher in others whilst also giving smoother day to day performance. To suggest there isn't a worthy successor I feel is being in denial a little.

Ryzen is going to become especially attractive for gaming rigs if you look at going for the R5 1600 as the price for that with Mobo is cheaper than the 7700K alone by around £20 from the cheapest place to buy online. Add in 16GB of 3200Mhz gskill trident Z rgb for £150 and you are looking at £450 total. Certainly seems like a decent price point these days.

Just a shame that DDR4 has spiked so much making it just so expensive to purchase now. It would have if you had some DDR4 from a year ago been sub £400 for a 6 core CPU setup which is pretty sweet.

Where are you seeing an improvement of 50% in gaming?

Looking at benchmarks, I've seen the odd 30% increase, at 1080p or less, but I run at 1440p. I have no need above 60fps due to my monitor.

From what I'm seeing, the gaming difference between a stock 2600 and a 7700 is no more than 10% at 1440p, meaning practically nothing if you compare it against Ryzen.

Seems upgrading the GPU is still the best way of increasing gaming performance.

Also you mention smoother day to day performance? Do you have a source for this? All I can find is Ryzen having longer post times, which doesn't currently appeal.

 

[Curlyriff]

Where are you seeing an improvement of 50% in gaming?

Looking at benchmarks, I've seen the odd 30% increase, at 1080p or less, but I run at 1440p. I have no need above 60fps due to my monitor.

From what I'm seeing, the gaming difference between a stock 2600 and a 7700 is no more than 10% at 1440p, meaning practically nothing if you compare it against Ryzen.

Seems upgrading the GPU is still the best way of increasing gaming performance.

Also you mention smoother day to day performance? Do you have a source for this? All I can find is Ryzen having longer post times, which doesn't currently appeal.

There are numours sources for the smoother day to day. People all over here have posted about it, even avid Intel users. And actually longer post times seems very limited. What post times have you seen as we have zero difference in office between Intel and Ryzen in terms of post time.

The figures provided were based on playing games at 1080p, I have seen figures between 10-20% depending on game and some just as improved for things such as BF1 multiplayer that even at 4k have given those results. Of course the higher the resolution the higher the load on the GPU so yes the GPU is still the go to item to upgrade but to suggest there is not decent CPU's that improve is not the same thing.

 

[CAT-THE-FIFTH]

So their excuse for DDR3 prices is that because all of the manufacturing has switched to DDR4 (even though the prices started to balloon a year before DDR4 arrived) they need to charge people more, and their excuse for DDR4 prices is that they can't manufacture enough (despite all the DDR3 production apparently making it now) because the phones now use it (instead of using DDR3) so they need to charge people more.

It's almost as if there was a shortage in 2013 sparking a price jump because of a factory fire and then when everything calmed down they kept the prices artificially inflated then raised them higher and higher while laughing at consumers, or something

They have been found guilty of price fixing in the past.

 

[Matkinson]

There are numours sources for the smoother day to day. People all over here have posted about it, even avid Intel users. And actually longer post times seems very limited. What post times have you seen as we have zero difference in office between Intel and Ryzen in terms of post time.

The figures provided were based on playing games at 1080p, I have seen figures between 10-20% depending on game and some just as improved for things such as BF1 multiplayer that even at 4k have given those results. Of course the higher the resolution the higher the load on the GPU so yes the GPU is still the go to item to upgrade but to suggest there is not decent CPU's that improve is not the same thing.

In my case, it is barely an improvement. I game at no more than 60fps at 1440p. I already hit this in pretty much every game I play, and the ones I don't, are because my graphics card isn't powerful enough.

In other people's cases, there may be a noticeable improvement.

Whether it is worth upgrading CPU or not, is as always, completely subjective.

 

[The-Hoff]

Loving my i7 7700k @5.0 so I won't be replacing it with anything else for a long while yet.

 

[DragonQ]

http://www.infoworld.com/article/31...c-chip-shipments-may-slip-into-next-year.html

Those 8th Generation Core laptops may be more attractive to customers. The first 10-nm Cannonlake chips will be slower than 14-nm 8th Generation Core processors. Intel acknowledged the speeds during the manufacturing event, with a chart showing 10-nm chips catching up with 14-nm chip performance in one to two years.

Looks like Cannonlake will initially be slower than the 14 nm parts out there now, which is probably why it's a mobile-only part and also why Coffee Lake exists.

 

[Besty]

In my case, it is barely an improvement. I game at no more than 60fps at 1440p. I already hit this in pretty much every game I play, and the ones I don't, are because my graphics card isn't powerful enough.

It very much depends how you run your rig. I think if you run your Sandy Bridge class CPU without power states enabled then you won't see an improvement.

If you run with power-states enabled there is a clear difference, in general usage, between a Skylake CPU and everything that came before it. This is because the CPU switching time between power states is much slower on the older CPU's, most notably Sandy Bridge. As the switching happens in microseconds this switching manifests itself as jitter and its not easily measured but it can be felt by the user (me) as I switch between my Skylake and Kabylake systems and a Sandy Bridge-E system.

I could leave the switching disabled but my Sandy Bridge rig would run at max clocks all the time.

This change along with the switch to NVME M2 drive from SSD really made a difference to my day-to-day experience and I would recommend giving it a whirl even if you are not sold on benchmark charts which tend to focus on scores and times and not the quality of the experience.