Smart meter farce

food for thought
2012 - so lighting may have changed, and standby for lcd tvs,
but, relative kettle consumption versus oven-hob !
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Jesus, get off your donkies and start walking will you!

Smart metering was introduced as a way to determine the carbon footprint of the nation and ideally help people (see uneducated masses) understand the quantity of fuel they waste at a level they will understand. It part of the carbon pledge that the G20 Summit introduced back in 2006 (I think, it was a long time ago).

Initially the government said to suppliers this is what we want, show us how its done, this started the SMETS1 supplier owned and operated fiasco up until 2018 when SMETS2 was given full launch (targeted launch started in 2016).

The data coming back from SMETS2 installations has provided a vast amount of usage statistics (optional reporting times back to the government of every 30min, Hour, Day, Week or Month, Month being the default unless you the customer specify otherwise, although most suppliers suggest 30min reading as the most common). The stats show nothing other than time of day and usage, no location data no customer info just readings and time. Due to the way the network is designed the meter when reporting back sends and identifier (called a Premise ID) and the meter readings. The premise ID carries no location data the DCC (data handling part of the network) does not know where that property is, just that it is reporting readings, your supplier then says to the DCC this Premise ID is our customer can we have the readings please, Premise ID is then used to link your account to the data. The DCC can generate statistics from the usage graphs per Premise ID. What they cannot do it pinpoint a property in a particular street and say "ooh that house is using far too much...." and so on and the have no idea where that property is!


Smart metering is nothing more than natural progression of an ever growing demand network, Smart system have been in use for manufacturing (thing pressure regulation, flow and demand monitoring of liquids and so on) for nearly 30 years. Heck Smart meters have existed since the mid 80s within big business, they are far from a new thing, have a search for AMR meters they have been around since the late 60's.

Can confirm all the above from Bigboy. I know hes heavy into the tech side and i can confirm from the supplier side that these comments are 100% on point.
 
nonetheless if you read the earlier dcc link - their value proposition on the use/benefit of the data is not compelling
The proposed first DCC exchange would give secure, free access (or at cost) to system data from its nationwide, secure smart meter platform. The ability to analyse and use granular detail about the smart meter system, as well as by combining it with data from other organisations, could be a game-changer for the country’s Net-Zero ambitions.

on sub-station monitoring (I was surprised by it's absence) looks like scottish power had made a proposal in 2015
https://www.spenergynetworks.co.uk/userfiles/file/EnhancedSubstationMonitoringDeployment07.pdf
For example, the typical cost of a secondary substation monitor was between £1400- £2400 compared to typical installation and removal costs of approximately £200 and £100 respectively.

Accelerated deployment of time of use charging is the elephant in the room .. so less well off won't be able to afford to cook an evening meal until later.
 
I was out clearing the road and a couple of my elderly neighbours paths of snow yesterday when one of them came out and asked if I would mind reading their gas meter for them. After unburying it I read the meter and gave her the numbers but asked her didn't she have a smart meter installed not long ago? She said yes but it only reads the electricity. One of my other neighbours also only has her smart meter reading electricity. I always presumed that they read both electricity and gas, isn't that normally the case?
 
I was out clearing the road and a couple of my elderly neighbours paths of snow yesterday when one of them came out and asked if I would mind reading their gas meter for them. After unburying it I read the meter and gave her the numbers but asked her didn't she have a smart meter installed not long ago? She said yes but it only reads the electricity. One of my other neighbours also only has her smart meter reading electricity. I always presumed that they read both electricity and gas, isn't that normally the case?
Two meters; one for gas, one for leccy. They'd need both replaced with smart meters.
 
Might be a signal thing the gas meter needs to talk to the electric meter so if it's too far they won't fit a gas one.
EDF are working with the DCC on a powerline adapter variant to extend the signal to gas meters, there is also a radio signal variant in the works too.

or - separate suppliers
The can share Hardware (Comms hubs and in home displays) so no reason not to have them both done.
 
The can share Hardware (Comms hubs and in home displays) so no reason not to have them both done
I meant if you had switched electric, only, say, to octopus, who installed a smart meter (as I had been contemplating)
would they add a relay/smarts on your gas meter too ? which could show basic information from another supplier on their ihd.

More generally splitting gas and electric between different suppliers can create IHD problems, if not reporting ones ? or the system was designed for that.
 
I meant if you had switched electric, only, say, to octopus, who installed a smart meter (as I had been contemplating)
would they add a relay/smarts on your gas meter too ? which could show basic information from another supplier on their ihd.

More generally splitting gas and electric between different suppliers can create IHD problems, if not reporting ones ? or the system was designed for that.
System is designed around independence, a Comms hub can have up to 5 Elec meters linked to it and 1 gas meter.

If your elec supplier installs a smart meter and your gas supplier installs one later the gas supplier will just pair the gas meter to the Comms hub.

As the IHD only talks to th Comms hub there is no reason for it to be a problem.
 
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or - separate suppliers

Nope, everyone around here seems to stick with SSE for both gas and electricity. I have tried and tried to get them to listen to me about switching and saving money (when it was worth doing) but they are all set in their ways and think it's too much hassle even though I offered to help them. It's madness!! I have saved a small fortune since switching away from SSE years ago and switching suppliers almost yearly.
 
We have British Gas coming tomorrow to fit both gas and electric smart meters. I'm still not convinced so I'll report back!
 
I was out clearing the road and a couple of my elderly neighbours paths of snow yesterday when one of them came out and asked if I would mind reading their gas meter for them. After unburying it I read the meter and gave her the numbers but asked her didn't she have a smart meter installed not long ago? She said yes but it only reads the electricity. One of my other neighbours also only has her smart meter reading electricity. I always presumed that they read both electricity and gas, isn't that normally the case?

Only my Electric meter is smart, the gas meter is on the other hide of the house and has zero chance of getting signal over to it through 2 external walls and a bunch of internal walls so the fitter just did'nt bother and I don't blame them for not trying.
 
Had smart meters installed today. Was told it'll take a couple of hours for readings to start appearing on the display. Hasn't happened yet, a search online indicates it can take up to 48hours. :confused:
 
Only my Electric meter is smart, the gas meter is on the other hide of the house and has zero chance of getting signal over to it through 2 external walls and a bunch of internal walls so the fitter just did'nt bother and I don't blame them for not trying.

Unusual, unless you are PAYG there is no reason not to replace the meter. In fact my employer will always replace the meter unless unable to commission due to distance.
 
Had smart meters installed today. Was told it'll take a couple of hours for readings to start appearing on the display. Hasn't happened yet, a search online indicates it can take up to 48hours. :confused:

24hrs max usually within an hour of meter installed and activated. Who is your supplier?
 
Unusual, unless you are PAYG there is no reason not to replace the meter. In fact my employer will always replace the meter unless unable to commission due to distance.

What do you mean by unable to commission due to distance? The two meters are on opposite sides of a medium sized detached house, I recall he said he attempted to commission the gas side but it wouldn't connect to the electric meter so he just left the existing meter in place which he had yet to removed.
 
What do you mean by unable to commission due to distance? The two meters are on opposite sides of a medium sized detached house, I recall he said he attempted to commission the gas side but it wouldn't connect to the electric meter so he just left the existing meter in place which he had yet to removed.
Commissioning is the process to add the meter to the smart network. If the distance from the Elec meter/Comms hub is too far 5-10m depending on walls and construction type (ZigBee is a low penetration wavelength of the 2.4ghz range), then the meter will not connect to th Comms hub and there for not commission/commissioning would fail part way through.

There is in coming months a powerline adapter type extra that can extend the range of the ZigBee connection. But that is currently under test by the DCC, and not expected to be released to production until September time this year.
 
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