Smart Motorways

jpaul said:
but - you do wonder, whether in car videos from the FSD drivers whose tesla crashed between the wheels of large semi's, look similar - everyone has a plan until the unexpected happens they get punched in the mouth
if anything the exposure of chagpt making things up, starts to show public, how, transposed into the world of driving, AI learning can have fatal errors.
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That’s a very odd thing to wonder about. Are you into snuff movies?

As much as Tesla took the hit for that death, back then Tesla actually licensed in their ADAS system from Mobileye and they took very little flack for it at all. I’m pretty sure they are now owed by Intel.

Other than the name there are literally no two parts that are the same as the system being demoed in the video above.

What is often not considered is a crash like that is unlikely to have the same outcome in Europe because of the design of European trucks. They are required to have side railings to stop cars getting under the trailer in collisions for this exact reason.

The Uber crash ended that self driving programme, I was surprised at that if I am honest. I thought they’d pretty much pick up where they left off after a few weeks.

But as Fuzz said, these systems are there to prevent deaths not remove them entirely. As long as they make materially less mistakes than humans, they are objectively better.

This thread has gone way off topic.
 
I was driving down the M3 the other day and noticed immediately upon joining that lane 1 had a Red X lit up on the overhead signage. I set the cruise control to 70 and carried on in lane 2 with the flow of traffic. I saw a car drive in Lane 1 for about 5 miles up to the next junction just ahead of me also at about 70mph. They probably went through somewhere between 5-10 red X notification signs. I was waiting for the impact into the back of something but it never came. Maybe people don't trust the accuracy of them and confidently ignore them as they often over do the "area" to capture based on reports rather than actual camera sightings/detections? Either way it's alarming.
 
I saw a few cars doing that on the M27 not too long ago and was most amused when the cameras started flashing. Clearly the M27 cameras catch morons driving in closed lanes too - surprised they haven’t rolled this out everywhere yet but I guess it’s a matter of time.
 
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My biggest peave with smart motorways is that it results in idiots sitting in what is now the third lane, still doddling between 60 and 70 (indicated) - plenty in cars with cruise control as standard - resulting in everyone else having to change lanes multiple times around them to keep up with the flow.

That seems to be the major issue with them. The actual idea makes some logical sense although there are clearly issue with the implementation, but at the end of the day it's being used by people who aren't paying attention, are too tired from working low paid jobs for too many hours, or whatever the reason is for them basically becoming an obstruction to even HGVs.

Add in a break down in the first lane and it's no wonder there are casualties and more accidents as a result. Our society is too broken to make use of what would otherwise be an efficient use of the space.
 
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not everyone needs to drive at 70mph, if the company is paying for my petrol then I may do so, or, if I had a super cd car like CLA.


b0rn2sk8 said:
That’s a very odd thing to wonder about. Are you into snuff movies?

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But as Fuzz said, these systems are there to prevent deaths not remove them entirely. As long as they make materially less mistakes than humans, they are objectively better.
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strictly Crash - Kronenburg

seems ford blue cruise system is not OK'd for europe - video explains some of the eu rules that lead to erratic behaviour for systems like teslas whilst changing lanes.
youtu.be

UNECE update on DCAS regulations and FSD Beta for Europe

The UNECE has been debating about the new DCAS regulations for a couple of months now and a draft document is available. In this video I go through the highl...
youtu.be youtu.be
(post mobileye tesla still has issues https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/16/tes...-driving-beta-software-may-cause-crashes.html )
 
jpaul said:
not everyone needs to drive at 70mph, if the company is paying for my petrol then I may do so, or, if I had a super cd car like CLA.



strictly Crash - Kronenburg

seems ford blue cruise system is not OK'd for europe - video explains some of the eu rules that lead to erratic behaviour for systems like teslas whilst changing lanes.
youtu.be

UNECE update on DCAS regulations and FSD Beta for Europe

The UNECE has been debating about the new DCAS regulations for a couple of months now and a draft document is available. In this video I go through the highl...
youtu.be youtu.be
(post mobileye tesla still has issues https://www.cnbc.com/2023/02/16/tes...-driving-beta-software-may-cause-crashes.html )
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Imo if you don't want to do the limit, stay out of the right lane, otherwise you are technically breaking the law as people pass on the left at the limit, not to mention its an incredibly selfish attitude (which seems to be more and more common these days).
 
All too convenient to reduce the expenditure, no money in the piggy-bank, and, with the recession, does level of motorway traffic still justify their introduction.
 
a1ex2001 said:
www.bbc.co.uk

New smart motorway plans being scrapped

Plans to have more stretches without hard shoulders are cancelled amid cost and safety concerns.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

And the government take the bizarre decision to stop installing new smart motorways but will leave the existing blaming a lack of public confidence. This country is hilarious sometimes!
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Somes up the general feelings in this thread, everyone knows they're a waste of time, and a cheap dangerous way of sticking an extra lane in.
 
a1ex2001 said:
www.bbc.co.uk

New smart motorway plans being scrapped

Plans to have more stretches without hard shoulders are cancelled amid cost and safety concerns.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk

And the government take the bizarre decision to stop installing new smart motorways but will leave the existing blaming a lack of public confidence. This country is hilarious sometimes!
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Probably because they'd have to widen the motorways to make up for the lost capacity
 
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This is all so short sighted, the original smart motorway design as implemented on the M42 works and now we are going to throw that away because someone along the line broke the design. It’s so frustrating and so British!
 
Feek said:
The AA want the existing ones to be scrapped.

www.bbc.co.uk

Scrap all existing smart motorways, says AA

The government has axed plans to build more stretches of road without permanent hard shoulders.
www.bbc.co.uk www.bbc.co.uk
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The M25 is gonna turn into a car park.

Ridiculous as the data shows smart motorways aren't any less safe.

The people that do 90% of the miles on these motorways would much rather not be stuck in traffic, than have this perceived only safety benefit of a hard shoulder.
 
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a1ex2001 said:
This is all so short sighted, the original smart motorway design as implemented on the M42 works and now we are going to throw that away because someone along the line broke the design. It’s so frustrating and so British!
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Probably costs too much money to do it properly and I'm still not really on board with that given the vast failings highlighted in the processes managing the system in real time and general complacency and lack of care that seems to infect many people.
 
Anyone with half a brain cell could see that these so called ‘smart’ motorways were simply too dangerous. People driving in this country are bad enough at obeying road signs and a big red cross over a lane isn’t going to stop them from driving in it. Then they’ll stack it into a broken down vehicle and there will be carnage.

The best thing now would be to get a bunch of painters in to make that white line solid again, switch off all the smart signage and go back to how we were before with proper hard shoulders.
 
Feek said:
Anyone with half a brain cell could see that these so called ‘smart’ motorways were simply too dangerous. People driving in this country are bad enough at obeying road signs and a big red cross over a lane isn’t going to stop them from driving in it. Then they’ll stack it into a broken down vehicle and there will be carnage.

The best thing now would be to get a bunch of painters in to make that white line solid again, switch off all the smart signage and go back to how we were before with proper hard shoulders.
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Lane closure signs pre-date smart motorways by quite a bit. Or are you talking about folk driving in the hard shoulder when its closed?
 
People can't even manage to move to the outside lane in a reasonable fashion when approaching a well signed, coned, lane 1 closure on a dual-carriageway never mind smart motorways - there is one on my way to work currently and it is regularly chaos.
 
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dLockers said:
Lane closure signs pre-date smart motorways by quite a bit. Or are you talking about folk driving in the hard shoulder when it’s closed?
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I’m talking about the whole concept of smart motorways where there is no hard shoulder but four running lanes, one of which gets closed by a red cross when there’s a stationary vehicle.

muon said:
Ridiculous as the data shows smart motorways aren't any less safe.
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A quick google is saying that the accident rate on smart motorways is double that of non smart ones. This isn’t just a few articles, it’s everything.
 
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