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Snapdragon X Elite Reviews
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I didn’t think they would but am pleasantly surprised. Will wait for more reviews but it’s looking like a decent contender for people who want to use Windows or Linux.
It's faster than the latest AMD and Intel notebook CPUs, while using less power. No idea what you're comparing it too.
Obviously software is in its infancy but this is the future for laptops unless x86 magically becomes more efficient. Apple have proved as much.
Looks like those were his tests? I generally dislike his content as it's surface level, but it's the only one that outs at the moment.
Already seeing other creators doing live reviews so we'll have broader coverage soon.
Apple have the advantage of "1" hardware target, whereas Windows and Linux need to support a wider variety of hardware.
It took Intel over a year to sort out their scheduler to use e-cores in Windows, and I bet they still don't have it figured out. You can write the best code, but if the underlying system can't execute the code efficiently, it's no good.
x86 is a more complicated instruction set and will struggle to outperform ARM. Intel and AMD are 100% going to be producing ARM processors in the near future.
Edit: One big difference is Apple has the benefit of SOC, which does have an advantage.
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If the hardware is adopted, the software will follow.
Anyone who bought an Apple Silicon product in the first year or two was running a lot of their apps on Rosetta; Windows has Prism for the same scenario.
Thanks to Apple a lot of software vendors already provide ARM builds; whether Windows for ARM is any good is a different story. As a software developer, why would I buy and Intel or AMD laptop when I can have a better experience with the Snapdragon?
They are very different, and had Microsoft been the first the adopt ARM, I doubt we’d have such a rich ecosystem of ARM-native apps.
Having a walled garden has its perks.
As with anything, it's going to depend on the individual.
I fully expect my desktop to remain on x86 for years to come, but I don't see why I'd pick x86 over ARM for work/laptop use (ideally Linux). Not saying people will pick these up today; the software, in typical MS fashion, looks buggy as hell; but in a year or 2 (assuming steady improvement) these will be great options for software development, light office use, creative work, etc.
Again, it depends. Cloud providers are asking people to pick ARM over x86. Apple is "asking" people to pick ARM over x86. All of your mobile devices are picking ARM over x86. There's clearly an advantage to the IS that cannot be served by even the latest AMD and Intel x86 products.
x86 isn't going away, but soon you'll have options. Why would I get an x86 laptop for work when I could have a quiet and cool laptop that performs well on battery thanks to the ARM architecture? A lot of creators moved to Apple for similar reasons.
Where did I say that? I'm saying it's a positive option to have, and it'll take at least a year or 2 before it becomes reliable enough for the average user.
If you want an x86 device, then buy one, but if I have a MacBook for work because you can't get a Windows or Linux device with comparable performance without sacrificing battery and heat. If AMD or Intel magically improve x86 to a point where it can achieve something similar, I'll gladly buy one, but it's more likely to come from an ARM-based chip.
It's weird that you're freaking out about having another option.
I think the difference here is that ARM is already widely adopted, possibly more so than x86.Considering we have been having the RISC vs x86 debate for the past 30 years at least, with the "consensus" being that small/simple is better than large/complex and will definitely win the battle... in the near future... I'm not going to get overly excited by this rerun
So why, after all these years, hasn't MS made said improvements? We just got these ARM processors, running on a beta OS with beta drivers, and it's equalling/outperforming the latest offerings from AMD and Intel.
If MS could achieve what they wanted with x86, why don't they? They could just partner with AMD or Intel if there plan was to take on Apple. Would save them a ton of trouble in terms of compatibility.
Plenty benchmarks show them trading blows, and this is on beta software. Also, when you consider performance per watt, it's a relatively easy win in most areas. About the only place it doesn't matter is for general desktop use where you're always plugged into the wall.
Agreed, and I don't expect x86 to die off for exactly this reason. There's a large market that Microsoft can eat into and this enables that move.
Again, I'm not advocating for either side. I'll gladly use Zen 5, 6, 7, 8, 9, 200 in my desktop as long as the support is there, but I can never go back to an x86 laptop unless they can compete with the equivalent ARM offerings.
That's why I said it needs a year or 2, as did Apple Silicon. I've used a Windows laptop with a low power Ryzen APU and it just doesn't stack up anywhere near what the MacBook is doing - the IS just doesn't offer the same levels of effeciency.
But fact.
I watched the same plus a bit from another creator and they were getting software updates mid testing; also mentioned several in the days leading up.Josh did an excellent livestream last night. Well worth a watch, as he goes beyond the normal "lightweight office apps" scenarios. Lots of issues along the way. I sat through the whole thing live - was a lot of fun. Basically, avoid these systems for now, until things mature and we get to see the new stuff from Apple, AMD and Intel that will release over the next 3 months or so.
Live Stream: Qualcomm Snapdragon Laptops (CoPilot+)
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The whole release has felt rushed and x86 emulation, which wasn't a long-term issue for Apple, is going to plague them until enough apps have native builds.
I expect that the emulation is only going to be geared towards newer apps. Older x86 apps will forever live in the x86 platform, which is fine as it isn't going anywhere.
If Office, Adobe, various developer tools and languages, etc. have native ARM builds, that's a relatively large and varied audience to capture.
Serviced but not very well serviced - plenty room for improvement as can be seen with the MacBook.
An x86 laptop is never going to give you all day battery life for anything other than basic web browsing. It's also never going to not overheat and generate noise under heavier workloads.
Like I said, 1 to 2 years of development to see what they can make of these chips. x86 will never get there, at least not easily, whereas ARM implementations have already proven what's possible.And currently neither is a Snapdragon Elite laptop
Remind me what the point is then?
Assuming the software ecosystems gets the necessary development, there will be a large audience for these products.
You'll have to read more than just the last message.
I can't imagine many will make the switch until the software is there.
I've lost track of their naming, but the latest core ultra whatever seems to have got something right. They've been promising improvements for a while now and Lunar Lake could be a real contender if the support is there.I'm more excited for Lunar Lake in a few months time -
Lunar Lake - Wikipedia
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