Apparently AMD are looking into it. Would benefit them in the server space as well although the likes of Amazon might prefer to stick with their in-house chip.
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Snapdragon X Elite Reviews
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Why though? The MB is the only actual competitor when it comes to on-battery performance, and those are going to be way more expensive, especially when you have to pay £200 for the privilege of having at least 16GB of RAM.Please book the following dates in your diary for the creation of your Buyer's Remorse threads:
Mid-July (Zen 5)
Mid-Sept (Lunar Lake)
Mid-Oct (Apple M4 Macbook Pro & Air)
Mid-Oct (Arrow Lake)
Maybe, but Intel talk up their products every year and they’re never there.
Their latest mobile chips are an improvement in terms of efficiency. x86 is inherently less efficient so it’ll take a lot to compete with ARM in that space.
Qualcomm will be adding drivers to the kernel but as mentioned above, works fine in WSL.
It takes x86 more instructions to perform a task. How the specific CPU architecture manages it is a different story, which is where the likes of AMD or Intel can close the gap.
Possible that some instructions are slower on ARM but for general use Apple have already proven it’s the better option. Outside of gaming, and assuming they don’t use some obscure software with no native build, there’s no real need for the general consumer to buy x86.
Yea sorry, meant x86 has a richer ISA whereas ARM uses a simplified and probably less flexible ISA, so there would be cases where a set of ARM instructions is less efficient, but the physical advantage allows it to use less power and generate less heat.
We'll know a bit more once all of the drivers and Windows itself is in a less beta state as that would reveal any major flaws.
So far it seems like a really good attempt - hopefully they're more of an AMD, who seem to have a clear vision and roadmap for their Zen platform, and less of an Intel.
Reviews based on day-to-day/real usage show a different picture, especially on-battery.
I mean his review shows better or equal performance, then says they are quieter and cooler than equivalent Intel and AMD laptops. These are also newly released products so no doubt they'll improve over time.
Also, how does the M3 Pro have half the PPW of the base M3 with only 3 more cores?
I think Intel got dibs on the new machines from that one company who makes them, so with their new sites coming online and the fab advantage, they should be in a position to produce some interesting tech and at scale.
I will, however, remain sceptical until Intel actually deliver.
Slack has Windows for ARM in beta. Doubt Skype does though.
Basically comes down to checking what apps you use and how many of them are native. You should expect any generally relevant and modern software to get a native build at some point.
The main thing I like about Snapdragon laptops is the extra RAM. I couldn’t stomach an 8GB machine.
For things like graphics design, video editing, software development, etc. there is little-to-no chance an AMD machine will compete with a MacBook in efficiency. Obviously Apple have an advantage in that they can tune every step of the process, so you'd imagine that AMD would fair better with all things equal.
The Snapdragon chips are impressive for a first release; they're competitive, performance-wise, with Intel and AMD, and that's on a poorly optimised and buggy Windows for ARM. Probably plenty gains to be had in software/drivers.
I'm all for Intel, AMD and Qualcomm competing; as soon as they have something closer to a MacBook, I'll gladly jump ship. Doesn't help that laptop manufactures have struggled to build competitive hardware (we're only now seeing multiple options with haptic touchpads).
They'd be worth the money if they were finished products. The OS is completely half-baked whereas Apple, while they had issues, was mostly stable and had relatively reliable emulation.
Oh I have zero expectation that they'll actually improve it, which will mean no investment from software companies i.e. supporting ARM builds, and it'll likely die.Microsoft can't even finish the x86 version of windows, so you've no hope for the Arm version ever being finished
When I say "first" I mean, not absolute unusable garbage. The previous Snapdragon chips could barely run a calculator.
Their OS is balls though. Would rather use Windows.