So APB is utter rubbish then ..

amigafan2003 said:
It's funny how those that are moaning about it being terrible are the ones who can't seem to win matches :-)
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That's a pretty big assumption there.

In beta I often won most "matches", but it still didn't change the fact other people had better weapons that took a long, long *** time to get a hold of ;)
When I did get it, wow was it a game changer, it was so damned easier to kill.

Some situations skill won't help when you have even skilled players, areas where the only way is through a choke point which has 6 people all training their guns at, skill doesn't come into play, you don't have a chance to even shoot back you die that fast.

I've been on the receiving end and part of such a team doing this tactic, it's evil and skill-less but it works.
 
In regards to people mentioning Planetside, that was absolutely fantastic and iirc they are currently developing a revamp? Either that or I was dreaming.
If someone could port the driving physics from GTA then they would have an absolutely cracking game on their hands, yet to play a game that i've enjoyed driving in as much as that.
I was tempted to buy this too, seems a shame!
 
Guess that must be it, couldnt possibly be the awsome matchmaking
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Nope, you deffinately suck

We got pitted against 4 highish level players last night who then called for backup so we ended up facing 7 - we still ended up winning with 32 kills between us.

At the end of the day, if you get pitted against a close knit group who have played games like this before (we're all ex Planetside players) with voice comms then you're going to have a tough time. Deal with it and try and up your game to the same level, rather than moaning on a forum about how unbalanced it is etc.
 
APB is an awesome game if you like FPS, you like MMO and you have mates. Me and my mates haven't had this much fun in a game since we first started playing wow.

Saying that, we have bought it with low expectations on it's lastability. I reckon 3-6 months you'll prob get bored or run out of stuff to do.

Don't buy this game if you are playing on your own you will just get mad. The matchmaking system can suck but if you are a half decent player then you should be fine. Nothing wrong with the driving in the game like the review says. He was obviously driving one of the crap cars.

When you buy the game you get 50 hours. If you have 2 or 3 mates to play with or join a clan then £25 is easily worth the fun you'll have in 50 hours.
 
Dickyb0b said:
how easy is it to make gametime instead of paying?
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Hard to say. 20 hours of gametime is 280RTW points. The exchange rate fluctuates, but it's currently about $200 (in-game $$$s, not USD) for 1 RTW point, so you'd need to make about $2,800 for every hour of gametime in order to be able to keep paying for it. Considering I made $18,000 in my first 4-5 hours of gametime, that seems easily achievable (and I'm not even that good, I lose more than half my matches).

Of course, you'd have less money left over for gear, but TBH in 5 hours I haven't gone up in rank far enough to be allowed to buy any of the more powerful weapons, so first impressions is this isn't a game where you'll spend a lot of time farming money to guy gear with - by the time you're allowed to buy them, you'll have gathered enough money.

The above is assuming you're buying 20-hour chunks, obviously if you buy a full month you'll be able to spend more time playing and therefore earn a lot more in-game money.

Also, this is JUST money earned by playing and doing missions, I don't count money you can make on the marketplace. I spent a good 10 or so hours crafting stuff and selling it, and that's netted me about 100RTW points so far! Not even anything fancy, just minor stuff that I crafted because I wanted to use it myself, and then I made a few copies to sell just for the heck of it - a suede jacket, a paisley shirt (I know, I look like a pimp from the 80s:)) and the Pacman theme tune (which now plays through the speakers of everyone I kill:D). I imagine if someone's creative and can make nice stuff that people will want to buy they'll NEVER need to pay for gametime (not that I'm that creative or dedicated myself, I just see that it's clearly not just possible but easy).
 
amigafan2003 said:
Nope, you deffinately suck

We got pitted against 4 highish level players last night who then called for backup so we ended up facing 7 - we still ended up winning with 32 kills between us.

At the end of the day, if you get pitted against a close knit group who have played games like this before (we're all ex Planetside players) with voice comms then you're going to have a tough time. Deal with it and try and up your game to the same level, rather than moaning on a forum about how unbalanced it is etc.
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Couldn't possible be your opponents sucked, it must be you were so pro :rolleyes:

Don't talk bull****. MMO balance between high and low levels is ALWAYS broken and if the matchmaking system enjoys pitting people with significant level differences against each other the system is crap.
 
There'll never be an MMOFPS quite like Planetside
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Aint that the truth!

Except maybe Planetside Next that is!

Don't talk bull****. MMO balance between high and low levels is ALWAYS broken and if the matchmaking system enjoys pitting people with significant level differences against each other the system is crap.
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But there isn't really a level differentiator in APB though is there?

Ok, so you when you get rank 85 you can now buy a gun (that has the same stats as one avail to buy at the beginning) but it carries thrre more bullets (so it fires 38 bullets per clip instead of 35) and carries one more magazine (so 315 capacity instead of 280). more bullets per clip is suddenly not going to make you more powerful than any other player.

Those that are high prestige are that high because they are good, not because they have been playing longer and collected better gear - which is why I think traditional MMO players don't like the game - they can't sit there for 8hrs a night and automatically be one of the most powerful players on the server.

Honestly, I believe a lot of gamers have grown soft and have been papmered by developers. As soon as a game that take skill, strategy and intelligence to master comes out it's hit with phrases like "unbalanced, camper, ganked, broken" etc. When was the last time you played a game you couldn't actually finish because it was hard? Can't remember or it hasn't happened to you? Then My friend you are sadly missing on a great aspect of gaming. i remember playing R-Type on the Amiga back in the day - I never finished it. Even now I can't get past the 4th level of Turrican II. the glory days of gaming are long gone.

The only time APB is unbalanced is when your crap and the opponent is good - exactly the way it should be imho.

So, let the care bear players go and play WoW and leave APB to the real gamers.
 
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Ill be honest ive not played a huge amount, so are you saying that as you progress you don't get access to more powerful weapons, or any upgrades that make your guns do more damage ?

To be honest its got nothing to do with gamers growing soft, yeah i play wow, but i also play mortal online, and one of my all time fave games (non pc) is Ibara, try that if you want to know hard.
 
Ill be honest ive not played a huge amount, so are you saying that as you progress you don't get access to more powerful weapons, or any upgrades that make your guns do more damage ?
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You do get more advanced versions of weapons available at the start but the overall effectiveness is only increased by a few percent - enough to make you want new weapons but not enough to suddenly make you untouchable.

For example, one of the upgrades on one of the later weapons is +3m to the effctive range. Now, the effective range on that weapon is already 70m so that's only a 4.3% increase. If you can't defeat an enemy that has a paltry +4.3% increase on thier weapon range then I'm sorry - the only explanation is your crap.

Ibara
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Jesus, yes that is a hard game - I still have a board somehwre - thanks for reminding me, I'll have to dig it out. I actually think R-Type is harder though.
 
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amigafan2003 said:
You do get more advanced versions of weapons available at the start but the overall effectiveness is only increased by a few percent - enough to make you want new weapons but not enough to suddenly make you untouchable.

For example, one of the upgrades on one of the later weapons is +3m to the effctive range. Now, the effective range on that weapon is already 70m so that's only a 4.3% increase. If you can't defeat an enemy that has a paltry +4.3% increase on thier weapon range then I'm sorry - the only explanation is your crap.
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That's pretty much accurate. You do get more variety in weapons as well though, you unlock stuff like rocket launchers and sniper rifles (and various non-lethal weapons for enforcers), which sounds sick but they all have some pretty huge disadvantages too (limited ammo, you move slower with them, etc). But you don't get more powerful JUST by levelling up, it just lets you buy different guns. Generally, a couple of noobies with the peashooters you start with can take out a tooled-up high-level player.
 
well ive played 40hrs...and all i can say is WOW this game comes to life once you know what you are doing.

I run solo and never fight any criminals (im a badass crim) the only time i team is when someone calls for back up against the law :) which is pretty much constantly.

Ive unlocked quite a few weapons just by pledging to the right people and following the arc through..i would say you can get a triple slotted gun in about 3hrs doing this, so theres no need to moan that people are over powered in anyway because guns are easy enough to get and your having fun doing it :)

Overall i would give it 7/10 not the 40% some sites are giving it and im going monthly once i use my 50hrs.

see ya in game

Sayso
 
Yeah I noticed it was bad after 5 minutes in the beta. I could have personally walked into rtw's office and slapped them into sense. All their good team members walked and made Ruffian (crackdown 2).
I will say though, they have put a lot of effort and attention into APB. It just doesn't 'feel' right though.
 
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I don't count money you can make on the marketplace. I spent a good 10 or so hours crafting stuff and selling it, and that's netted me about 100RTW points so far
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That sounds a really smart system. So you crafted stuff outside of the game time or inside it ?

I see this game as advance in gaming worlds though its not really my thing exactly as pvp is always hard to get right but Im sure some clans will appreciate the challenge and it sounds open to a little something beyond kill or be killed
 
silversurfer said:
That sounds a really smart system. So you crafted stuff outside of the game time or inside it ?

I see this game as advance in gaming worlds though its not really my thing exactly as pvp is always hard to get right but Im sure some clans will appreciate the challenge and it sounds open to a little something beyond kill or be killed
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You can "Craft" in the social district which doesn't use game time. So you can become self sufficient if you make and sell enough for RTW.
 
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