So, is the petrol running out and stuff?

ubersonic said:
Okay here is some (that took only a second on google to find):



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Awesome - several barely relevant wikipedia factoids! Gee, that sure trumps that mountain of evidence supporting the mainstream petroleum origin theory!:rolleyes: I'll try get it up to senior management straight away, I mean they might not know - like, maybe they dont have wikipedia? Or they know, but they're supressing the truth for strange self-defeating reasons? Hmmmm. :p:)

Seriously, as nice as it would be for all these infinite oil/free energy pseudoscience stories to be actually true, that sadly doesn't make them true. If this abiogenic origin thing had any truth to it we'd a) actually have found some where the theory predicts it to be, and b) find all our existing reserves being magically topped up by mother earth as the theory promises. Sadly it's a big fail so far on both counts.

Also, as much as it makes for great conspiracy theories, I'm afraid the reality is neither Big Oil/Pharma/whoever, the Government, the Illuminati nor our Reptilian Overlords get to establish scientific fact in the long term (well maybe our Reptilian Overlords). Truth will always out. We will run out of oil, and we are damaging our environment.
 
I never bothered learning to drive and tbh it never interested me until the past couple of years and now I've started thinking how more convenient it would be to have a car to get around in for work/gym/shopping/visiting friends/going on holiday, trips etc.

But I keep changing my mind. I've got busses or lifts off friends all my life and it hasnt really bothered me that much...

Sometimes when I think about the global polution side of things though I do think that it would be better if people stopped getting cars, because not everyone needs them...and we also live in a fat society now where the whole world is getting fat on junk food and processed food and you see a lot of fat people driving cars (whilst eating)....thats a whole other thread in it's self, but I live in leeds, leeds isnt the size of london or anywhere near it, its quite small, you can walk around it quite easily, you can walk everywhere, to your familys house or to work or to town or whatever.

We just live in this society where people think they have to get a car at a young age, a huge percentage of people finish school, go college and then get a car around the age of 18...just because this is what sosciety says they should do.

They forget about how much its gona cost each month in petrol and insurance aswell as MOT and road tax etc. Cars are expensive.

At the moment half of me wants a car and the other half of me thinks I'd rather have the extra money in my pocket for clothes/holidays/gadgets/nights out/house etc.

I just think a lot of people get cars at young ages without really thinking about it, they just want to drive a tone of metal around at high speeds to be cool, they dont think about the dangers or the cost or the pollution or anything.

It would be better in the future if we just got rid of cars all together and everyone used public transport apart from police/ambulance/fire service/goverment etc.
 
nonhelmet said:
Pointlessly large SUV driven in the suburbs. The most "off-road" it gets is parking on the pavement to pick up the kids from school.

Named after the London area in which a large number of them can be found.
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Why is it pointlessly large? What is the qualifier?
 
AcidHell2 said:
You probably missed it as I edited the post.

But big space isn't required as such stations wont process the same number of cars as petrol stations.
As you will only change them when doing large trips.
They reckon that the average person in Japan, will need just 10 swaps a year.


Remember you can charge at home and in car parks, work places etc. So you only need it when doing over ~100 miles at a go, or when you don't have enough time for a fast charge. That isn't going to be many times a year for most of the population.
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that does suggest though thats because people will charge thier car fully between trips which isn't 100% likely, lots of small commutes will probbaly leave you needing a top up at some point when out.


But that does raise the issue will lots of small partial discharges and charge cycles every day quickly reduce the effectiveness of the battery?


Liability insurance.
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paid by who though?

if the damage is caused in the car (faulty car, or physical damage) will the car owner be required to replace the battery pack?
 
Tefal said:
that does suggest though thats because people will charge thier car fully between trips which isn't 100% likely, lots of small commutes will probbaly leave you needing a top up at some point when out.


But that does raise the issue will lots of small partial discharges and charge cycles every day quickly reduce the effectiveness of the battery?
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It shouldn't reduce effectiveness as this is how the cars are designed and unlike normal batteries have advanced charge monitoring as well as cooling.

The insurance would be paid, just like on any hired product. It would be part of the "rental cost"


Most trips made are no where near the full range of such a car. Countries backing electric cars are having huge incentives for companies to install charging points as well as car parks. So there would be plenty of charging points when out an about.

Nissan on it's own is going to instal fast charging stations all over Japan, with a maximum driving distance of 40miles between them.

In America the government is funding over 1000 chargers in each of 11 main cities.
 
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kgi said:
Why is it pointlessly large? What is the qualifier?
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You know what I mean. An SUV is a sports utility vehicle. It's designed for off-roading. Does anyone need that kind of car to drive their kids around? No, they don't.

Maybe it's an issue of my personal judgement, sure. Sue me.
 
Really? Most aren't at all designed for off roaring. They are based on the looks of off-roaders. Also have large interiors which is pretty useful with kids.
 
I wonder how much range could be enhanced by a small generator. Ie a diesel/petrol electric hybrid. Read I said small not full size, so you got a car capable of 150Kms, if you had a small generator how much longer could that be enhanced by?
The generator is simply there to boost the batteries as you go, and in an emergency breakdown situation, ie run out of juice, give you a small charge to get you to a proper charge point/battery swap point.
All batteries I know charge faster from flat than when topping up the last 10%, so its possible that you could get a 20% charge pretty quickly from this?
I dont know just thinking, current hybrids from my understanding rely on using one powere source so you drive with petrol/diesel or electric. A small generator wouldnt propel the car but just top the electric to extend range.

What I havent seen any data on is the impact of heating and lighting. My old 5 series (diesel) was one of the efficient dynamics ones that didnt run the alternator when not needed etc, you could see a 3-4MPG diff driving on a cold winter night to a daylight journey same time of year. Surely a pure eletric car is going to suffer a lot from heating and lighting running from the same source.
 
Thats basically what a Prius is. But rather than having large batteries. It basically doesn't have batteries. And the mpg isn't amazing. 60mpg iirc, nothing decent small diesels can't get close to.
 
AcidHell2 said:
Really? Most aren't at all designed for off roaring. They are based on the looks of off-roaders. Also have large interiors which is pretty useful with kids.
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Yes they used to be for offroading, most of them are far from it now.

Simplest test I apply is the tyres, if its got normal road tyres its just about as useless off road as a fiesta. If its got proper off road tyres then chances are the driver will use it off road.

The interiors are a pretty mute point, they are more roomy but a lot arent really any more useful than the average family car with the back in use for passengers. A mondeo estate owns them for usable space with 5 passengers.
Put the back seats down though and you have a very usable reear space. Ia mnot 100% certain thats an option in all now as said a lot arent even designed to go off road now.
 
Jonny69 said:
There is a similar system being proposed for Le Mans to promote an electric class at the 24 hour race. Perfect place to test it really; put the motors and batteries through their paces, logistics of high speed battery swaps, number of batteries needed, charge times and testing etc etc.
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that would be very interesting to see.


when is le mans?
 
People I know buy it once they start a family and can afford such expense. It is much safer than other puny cars on the road :p

Really if one can afford it then why not, it obviously offers advantages over other types of cars otherwise people wouldn't bother buying them.

It only annoys me when the women clearly can not handle such a big car and if makes a mistake and bumps into me my car will get demolished while her will have a little dent lol :D
 
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