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So many 7700k threads but why no owners thread ?

FoxEye said:
I agree with others that the "such-and-such owners' threads" give the impression of being primarily concerned with elitist, willy-waving displays.
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I would hardly call a mainstream quad core CPU a willy waving product.:)

Having said that I have bought stuff in the last year that I have never mentioned on these forums that could be considered very much willy waving in nature. As it is extreme stuff only a few people like 8 Pack would be interested in, there is absolutely no point posting about it here.
 
Kaapstad said:
As it is extreme stuff only a few people like 8 Pack would be interested in, there is absolutely no point posting about it here.
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Maybe you should post about them, some of us lowly mortals might be interested.

The owners threads are great for info, agree though that most of the content is just a list of who owns what.
 
8 Pack said:
No one cares about such threads Kaap.

Boomstick is completely correct.
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Kaap cares, he spends hundreds of hours maintaining countless owners threads.

Each to his own IMO - if people want to spend their time reading/creating/participating in owners threads, it's their right to do this :) Not harming anyone else after all.
 
Silent_Scone said:
That's pathetic.

It doesn't necessarily need to be called an owners thread. It keeps all the information on topic, and especially in the case of this place, you don't have to sit and wade through all the misinformation and other topics.

There's nothing even remotely like that in the CPU subsection.
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Erm, if it's not an "owner's thread" then it's a "product xxx thread". So I'm not sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing?

There's nothing wrong with "product xxx threads" at all. The problem is when you call them "owners's threads", as already said, and then dedicate the first 2 or three posts in said thread to the "roll of honour", etc. Which is silly. Because then the thread isn't about the product, it's as much about the people that bought one. Which is epeen land for sure.
 
xs2man said:
I call bull on that.

An owners thread is a valuable resource. When researching something it's always better to get the opinions of actual owners. This is easier done in an owners thread, and people who aren't owners, and are just full of bluff and bluster regarding a product generally stay away from actual owners threads.

A Kaby lake owners thread, for example, is less likely to have some AMD fanboy coming in and stating "it's too expensive, what you need is a FX8350" without anything to back up that claim as to why it's the better choice, other than more cores. Whereas an actual owner might be able to tell you how it has performed against their previous set-up, which may well be what your coming from.

Equally, AMD threads aren't usually full of intel fanboys saying you should just spend the extra £1,000,000 for the latest 8c/16t intel because it's 3 seconds quicker at encoding a 1080p movie.

A general thread asking about these products is more open to opinion from those that don't currently, or have never, owned the product in the first place. And have just formed their opinions based on poor quality reviews and the one reddit thread where the guy used superglue instead of TIM.
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Yes and no. The best source of information is an impartial source.

Owners are subject to "purchase justification", where they over-emphasise the positives and try to ignore the negatives. If you were just to listen to owners, and ignore reviews (for instance), you are likely to hear just as much noise, from "fans" of the product or company.
 
FoxEye said:
Yes and no. The best source of information is an impartial source.

Owners are subject to "purchase justification", where they over-emphasise the positives and try to ignore the negatives. If you were just to listen to owners, and ignore reviews (for instance), you are likely to hear just as much noise, from "fans" of the product or company.
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My review

1. It's fast
2. It gets really hot
3. Skylake runs cooler.
4. If you're buying new, get Kaby.
5. If you wanna save some money Skylake 'aint much different.


Goodnight
 
FoxEye said:
There's nothing wrong with "product xxx threads" at all. The problem is when you call them "owners's threads", as already said, and then dedicate the first 2 or three posts in said thread to the "roll of honour", etc. Which is silly. Because then the thread isn't about the product, it's as much about the people that bought one. Which is epeen land for sure.
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If people want to go on a Roll of Honour it is entirely up to them. Having said that it is something a lot of people want to do so why not ?

If you don't like owners threads that is fair enough, but then you have the choice to ignore them.
 
You're itching to make one, so why not just do it? The idea that you can't because you don't own a 7700k is silly :p If it's not *purely* willy waving and the threads serve a practical purpose then nobody will mind, surely.
 
FoxEye said:
You're itching to make one, so why not just do it? The idea that you can't because you don't own a 7700k is silly :p If it's not *purely* willy waving and the threads serve a practical purpose then nobody will mind, surely.
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There are plenty of guys more qualified than me who actually own the CPUs who could do a very good job of it.:)

It would be nice for a change though if someone did a comprehensive one with sections for Cinebench, Super Pi and any other CPU intensive benches for example. these could be useful if they listed the M/B, RAM make/specs/timings used etc.

There is plenty of stuff that could go into the OPs of such a thread like news of overclocking bundles, what settings 8 Pack used etc.

News articles like der8auer's Delid-Die-Mate tool and how to use it.

Having said that I don't own a 7700k.:)
 
FoxEye said:
Erm, if it's not an "owner's thread" then it's a "product xxx thread". So I'm not sure if you're agreeing or disagreeing?

There's nothing wrong with "product xxx threads" at all. The problem is when you call them "owners's threads", as already said, and then dedicate the first 2 or three posts in said thread to the "roll of honour", etc. Which is silly. Because then the thread isn't about the product, it's as much about the people that bought one. Which is epeen land for sure.
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They're one and the same, besides the fact Kaap adds a roll of honour. It's not obligitary that you own the product to post in there. So it's simply the name you take umbrage with and concept of letting people know you own that product.

You're confused.

It would however be more objective to show stability results and max stable frequency by a reasonable method next to the username, though
 
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FoxEye said:
Yes and no. The best source of information is an impartial source.

Owners are subject to "purchase justification", where they over-emphasise the positives and try to ignore the negatives. If you were just to listen to owners, and ignore reviews (for instance), you are likely to hear just as much noise, from "fans" of the product or company.
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Yup, over the years the amount of times you see someone lets say justifying their 3700k from a 2700k and insisting to everyone it's a massive upgrade and feels so much faster. Or the I bought an SSD that still does 500mb/s sequential read, but it does 88k iops instead of 70k, it's sooo much faster..... sure mate.
 
Kaapstad said:
Nothing wrong with a 'roll of honour', non owners don't have to read it.:)
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Wasn't saying there was - as I'm on one haha. Just that other comments point to them being percepted as willy waving, and as a moderator on another forum (associated with a shop but not PCs) threads like that can be high maintenance.

I love threads full of factual stuff/oc details etc.
 
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If no owners thread (I wouldn't mind seeing one) how about a batch # thread. Would be good to see just how rare those 5.2GHz+ chips are.

Bloody annoying reading a review where the reviewer chooses to be conservative with overclocking. It's almost as annoying as reading a review of a GPU where the reviewer has no clue as to how to how to overclock it properly. It "could go higher" is not acceptable :p
 
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