So much for G/Sync?

[humbug]

Not going to pretend to know about GDDR5's conception, but a joint venture isn't the same thing.
HSA doesn't count, making something, having small support and going "Open Standard lads" isn't the same.

Freesync's implementation to me is still the first thing AMD's ever came up with that'll come to true fruition as an open standard that *should* have widespread support, and that's the kicker, the whole widespread support thing.

If your going to add caveats to everything else then you can claim Adaptive-Sync is the only thing.

The simple fact is there is a long list of things AMD put their own time and resources into that are free to use by Nvidia, Intel ecte.... whats more they often do use them.

Say "oh but thats not the same thing" go ahead. its only in your mind where that holds water.

Ridiculous circular arguments.

 

[Martini1991]

Things take time this is a new game coming soon that uses it.
They is loads things amd do to support open standards. Have a count how much nvidia do and you see there greed.

So, 2 games with TressFX? That's terrible.

Hardware accelerated physics could massively improve the immersion in gaming, all TressFX seems to be able to do is grass/hair/fur.

I don't say AMD don't support Open Standards, but calling something an Open Standard which no one uses bar the vast minority is massively different to what AMD's done with "Freesync".

There is no reason why monitors with DP from here on out DON'T do Freesync.

 

[Martini1991]

If your going to add caveats to everything else then you can claim Adaptive-Sync is the only thing.

The simple fact is there is a long list of things AMD put their own time and resources into that are free to use by Nvidia, Intel ecte.... whats more they often do use them.

It not adding a caveat. There's a massive difference between Freesync in what it represents, than the odd support here and there from AMD's other ventures.

AMD with Freesync has potentially changed gaming from here on out. Nothing else comes close to that, if you think it's only in my mind, then I can counter and say it's only in your mind where mild support is success.

 

[drunkenmaster]

Not going to pretend to know about GDDR5's conception, but a joint venture isn't the same thing.
HSA doesn't count, making something, having small support and going "Open Standard lads" isn't the same.

Freesync's implementation to me is still the first thing AMD's ever came up with that'll come to true fruition as an open standard that *should* have widespread support, and that's the kicker, the whole widespread support thing.

AMD jointly developed GDDR3 4 and 5, and a joint venture IS the same thing. Groups of people work on things all the time, AMD chose to be part of a group making something that everyone, not just AMD benefits from simple as that.

HSA doesn't count because having small support...... lose.

HSA foundation includes the massive majority of the chip producing industry, Nvidia/Intel are the only notable absentee's.

AMD, ARM(you know the biggest selling ISA), Imagination, mediatek, Qualcomm, Samsung, TI.
Contributors, Sony, Via, ubuntu, vivante, broadcom, oracle, tensilica, st, marvell. A lot of those looking to support and move software stacks towards HSA support, with Java being under a HUGE transition to HSA supported gpu acceleration currently.

HSA is anything but small support.

Freesync is the only thing with widespread support, HSA is going to be one of the biggest game changes in the industry, you may not believe it but come back in 5 years and see how much software you use would support gpu acceleration and run significantly faster on HSA chips. GDDR has widespread support across the industry for high bandwidth applications(mostly graphics).

The existing display port 4k standard is something AMD released.

Display port, on every AMD/Nvidia GPU, most monitors, all Nvidia g-sync monitors..... AMD came up with it, and continues to improve the standards and come up with improved usage of display port, making a Thunderbolt alternative that is basically free and better in some ways, worse in others, much better overall.

AMD has done nothing at all...... unless, you know, you actually know what you're talking about.

4k @ 60hz down one cable, thank AMD for that, multiple(maybe the majority) of display port features, thank AMD for those. The speed of your current Nvidia gpu and it's gddr5 supported bandwidth, yup, AMD again.

 

[humbug]

It not adding a caveat. There's a massive difference between Freesync in what it represents, than the odd support here and there from AMD's other ventures.

AMD with Freesync has potentially changed gaming from here on out. Nothing else comes close to that, if you think it's only in my mind, then I can counter and say it's only in your mind where mild support is success.

Of course Nvidia don't use GDDR5, no chance of changing Gaming with that...

No chance of changing Gaming with Stacked GDDR either as Nvidia will not be using that.

But its allright. Adaptive-Sync is here, finally AMD contribute....

 

[bru]

Just to throw a thought out there and it wont be popular.

If the actual function in adaptive Sync has been in laptop screens for ages, then what have AMD actually done other than slap a name on it?

 

[Gregster]

AMD are like the Romans... But what have the done for us?

 

[Martini1991]

Of course Nvidia don't use GDDR5, no chance of changing Gaming with that...

A joint thing.
But with that logic we may's well be thanking AMD for DX11.

Different to what they've managed to achieve with Freesync.

I wasn't taking away from GDDR in the slightest however, but twist away bro.

If AMD didn't have input on HSA/GDDR, they'd likely still have existed, AMD only being a part of the founders? (And where's the widespread usage of HSA?). If AMD didn't push for Freesync, it wouldn't exist.

 

[Martini1991]

Just to throw a thought out there and it wont be popular.

If the actual function in adaptive Sync has been in laptop screens for ages, then what have AMD actually done other than slap a name on it?

They've got it introduced as a standard in the DP specification.

This is down to them, and people benefiting in the future would not have done without AMD.

 

[shankly1985]

So, 2 games with TressFX? That's terrible.

Hardware accelerated physics could massively improve the immersion in gaming, all TressFX seems to be able to do is grass/hair/fur.

I don't say AMD don't support Open Standards, but calling something an Open Standard which no one uses bar the vast minority is massively different to what AMD's done with "Freesync".

There is no reason why monitors with DP from here on out DON'T do Freesync.

It's a new tech that's only just coming together amd are still working with it. I hate it when you say just two games lol so when the very first Physx game came out it was only one game blah blah blah
Things take time to become more than one you know. It's not something that you just wake up and everything is ready.

 

[PhysicsMan94]

Goodness me, looking at some of the heavily exaggerated claims in this thread one without prior knowledge would think that AMD invented most of the current technological world and are the largest global company. Remember that AMD are still only worth ~1/3 of Nvidia (based on market capitalisation figures as of Q4 2013), so it's not like they invented everything; let's remember who actually invented the GPU itself...

 

[Martini1991]

It's a new tech that's only just coming together amd are still working with it. I hate it when you say just two games lol so when the very first Physx game came out it was only one game blah blah blah
Things take time to become more than one you know. It's not something that you just wake up and everything is ready.

PhysX is prop though, so it's not the same.. TressFX is meant to be this "open standard" as you've said. I'm not comparing the two.

 

[RichardH754]

AMD are like the Romans... But what have the done for us?

They did make straight roads

 

[drunkenmaster]

Goodness me, looking at some of the heavily exaggerated claims in this thread one without prior knowledge would think that AMD invented most of the current technological world and are the largest global company. Remember that AMD are still only worth ~1/3 of Nvidia (based on market capitalisation figures as of Q4 2013), so it's not like they invented everything; let's remember who actually invented the GPU itself...

Wow, so many things stated with no logical connection between any of them.

Inventing stuff makes you automatically rich. So if we take every company on the planet, the richest have invented the most things and the most in debt... what, un-invented more things than anyone else by your logic?

AMD were running a foundry business which cost billions a year and took billions in R&D, costs Nvidia never had. Funding this R&D left AMD in debt, their existing debt and debt over the years has significantly more to do with their market value than how many things they invented.

Don't forget that Intel have also spent BILLIONS in the past 15 years to damage AMD, and gotten away with most of it, and most of it was proven completely illegal.

Much like Creative did, Intel just outspent AMD in legal battles. If AMD had deep pockets they would have won a ridiculous payout from Intel, deservedly so. Intel broke the law for well over a decade and are currently pretty much doing the same with their contra revenue.

Nvidia and AMD aren't remotely comparable, Nvidia was never fighting Intel directly and Intel never spent billions upon billions to screw them. Nvidia wouldn't be as financially healthy if another company had done that to them.

 

[PhysicsMan94]

Wow, so many things stated with no logical connection between any of them.

Inventing stuff makes you automatically rich. So if we take every company on the planet, the richest have invented the most things and the most in debt... what, un-invented more things than anyone else by your logic?

AMD were running a foundry business which cost billions a year and took billions in R&D, costs Nvidia never had. Funding this R&D left AMD in debt, their existing debt and debt over the years has significantly more to do with their market value than how many things they invented.

Don't forget that Intel have also spent BILLIONS in the past 15 years to damage AMD, and gotten away with most of it, and most of it was proven completely illegal.

Much like Creative did, Intel just outspent AMD in legal battles. If AMD had deep pockets they would have won a ridiculous payout from Intel, deservedly so. Intel broke the law for well over a decade and are currently pretty much doing the same with their contra revenue.

Nvidia and AMD aren't remotely comparable, Nvidia was never fighting Intel directly and Intel never spent billions upon billions to screw them. Nvidia wouldn't be as financially healthy if another company had done that to them.

Whilst, of course, there is no direct proportionality between wealth and invention (to an extent) it also stands that a company which has invented a whole wide range of technologies (as you claim several time that AMD has) should make quite a bit of capital from those ventures. Ergo, if AMD really had played such a huge part in everything that you have said that they have then they would be in a considerably better financial position right now.

 

[Stanners]

Whilst, of course, there is no direct proportionality between wealth and invention (to an extent) it also stands that a company which has invented a whole wide range of technologies (as you claim several time that AMD has) should make quite a bit of capital from those ventures. Ergo, if AMD really had played such a huge part in everything that you have said that they have then they would be in a considerably better financial position right now.

They do it for love, not money

 

[bru]

Whilst, of course, there is no direct proportionality between wealth and invention (to an extent) it also stands that a company which has invented a whole wide range of technologies (as you claim several time that AMD has) should make quite a bit of capital from those ventures. Ergo, if AMD really had played such a huge part in everything that you have said that they have then they would be in a considerably better financial position right now.

[sarcasm mode] but you forget that AMD do everything for the betterment of mankind, not for material gain [/sarcasm mode]

 

[drunkenmaster]

Whilst, of course, there is no direct proportionality between wealth and invention (to an extent) it also stands that a company which has invented a whole wide range of technologies (as you claim several time that AMD has) should make quite a bit of capital from those ventures. Ergo, if AMD really had played such a huge part in everything that you have said that they have then they would be in a considerably better financial position right now.

I think somebody has fundamentally missed the point of open source......

If you charge £5 for every display port connector...... no one uses it, it doesn't become an industry standard, we get left with DVI.

The entire point of making these things open is to reduce the cost vs things that exist and cost money.

Display port was better for AMD< was better for the industry and was better for monitors, if AMD kept hold of it and charged for it, no one would have used it.

This is the fundamental point you're missing, making something that benefits everyone(including themselves) then making it effectively free helps it get actual widespread adoption. Charging for it just stunts a standard completely and we'd be stuck on dvi or hdmi.

Even as it is with display port being free we still can't get these idiots to kill off legacy or expensive lesser alternatives. Too many people have their hands in the jar, Sony iirc get money from HDMI, and were a much bigger player when HD TV's came out, and got HDMI as an effective standard. Display port came out, surpassed it, is cheaper yet we still have HDMI. We've had years of problems post 1080p in terms of refresh rates and higher resolutions, it's entirely down to what cables are standard and who uses them, who controls the standards.

Till AMD designed and wrote a standard for display port for 4k there wasn't a standard single cable 4k implementation......... it's ridiculous but that is how the industry goes.

 

[drunkenmaster]

They do it for love, not money

[sarcasm mode] but you forget that AMD do everything for the betterment of mankind, not for material gain [/sarcasm mode]

You do know it's Nvidia guys, in discussions like these that consistently try to push that agenda.... when they have nothing substantial to add to a conversation or any "nvidia pushed standards for everyone" to counter with... they try to mock and put down.

As usual you bring nothing to a thread, well done.

 

[bru]

Q: Who is the designer of the DisplayPort standard?

The interface is designed by VESA – Video Electronics Standards Association. This is a association that contains of NEC Home Electronics, Westeren Digital/Paradise Systems, Video 7, Tecmar, STB Systems, Renaissance GRX, Orchid Technology, Genoa Systems and ATI Technologies.Q: When where DisplayPort invented/produced?

http://www.displayport.net/faq-about-displayport/

Funny that I don't see AMD mentioned, ATI on the other hand are mentioned, and display port was designed in 2006 the same year that AMD bought ATI.