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So now that all the new Ryzens are here how many cores do we actually need in 2020?

FoxEye said:
6/12 might leave PC gamers with an inferior experience/perf to the next gen consoles, in only 1 year's time.

Personally as somebody said above, a 12/24 4000 series CPU might be the best bet; 8/16 at an absolute minimum, if you want to stay ahead of the consoles come 2021.
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I agree, it's just so good to have such powerful CPU's across the board, even consoles are getting a massive boost thanks to Ryzen.

But one thing consoles will most likely be limited on is GPU horsepower. Unless, Xbox/PS5 go further down the console/PC hybrid route like Steam did a few years ago and actually be successful.
 
How do you mean? The console hardware is already based on PC hardware. x86 CPU, semi-custom GPU based on Navi. The difference is in software for the most part.

Consoles can get more out of their hardware due to a couple factors - uniform hw configuration and closer-to-the-metal APIs.

Last I heard the XSX GPU is more powerful than Navi 5700 XT.
 
champion1642 said:
I agree, it's just so good to have such powerful CPU's across the board, even consoles are getting a massive boost thanks to Ryzen.

But one thing consoles will most likely be limited on is GPU horsepower. Unless, Xbox/PS5 go further down the console/PC hybrid route like Steam did a few years ago and actually be successful.
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Not according to the latest mutterings. 10-12Tfolps Navi graphics and 3.5Ghz 16 thread Ryzen 2 CPU. The equivalent windows PC would probably need a 3800X and 15Tflop graphics card. And cost 7x the price because of the 2080Ti.
 
jigger said:
Not according to the latest mutterings. 10-12Tfolps Navi graphics and 3.5Ghz 16 thread Ryzen 2 CPU. The equivalent windows PC would probably need a 3800X and 15Tflop graphics card. And cost 7x the price because of the 2080Ti.
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If that's true, then they look pretty powerful and expensive.

We know that the XBox X series will have multiple versions of the console, so it's safe to assume they will have a low end model, mid, and high end.

I have no idea how the PS5 will be, but I'm betting they will also have different variations.

Consoles are also generally better at gaming than PC's with same specs since they are much closer to the metal than PC's, as their main function is gaming.
 
champion1642 said:
If that's true, then they look pretty powerful and expensive.

We know that the XBox X series will have multiple versions of the console, so it's safe to assume they will have a low end model, mid, and high end.

I have no idea how the PS5 will be, but I'm betting they will also have different variations.

Consoles are also generally better at gaming than PC's with same specs since they are much closer to the metal than PC's, as their main function is gaming.
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Seems like $499 is the target.
 
If that is the price, at least this time it'll be worth the cost of admission. There's a fairly decent chunk of hardware for $499. Hopefully that's £450 after conversion.

The PS4/Pro on the other hand at their release prices were a hard sell, given the extremely weak CPUs and GPUs inside.

I imagine both vendors will be trying to keep below $500... any more than that and I think you'll turn a large chunk of your potential customers against you. It'll start to look like greed, no matter what the hw inside is like. There's a psychological barrier above $500 for many people.

Remember the negative press surrounding the $599 PS3... I really hope we don't see those prices again, but... no one knows for sure.
 
FoxEye said:
If that is the price, at least this time it'll be worth the cost of admission. There's a fairly decent chunk of hardware for $499. Hopefully that's £450 after conversion.

The PS4/Pro on the other hand at their release prices were a hard sell, given the extremely weak CPUs and GPUs inside.

I imagine both vendors will be trying to keep below $500... any more than that and I think you'll turn a large chunk of your potential customers against you. It'll start to look like greed, no matter what the hw inside is like. There's a psychological barrier above $500 for many people.

Remember the negative press surrounding the $599 PS3... I really hope we don't see those prices again, but... no one knows for sure.
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XSX will be at least £599, MS have a weaker box to make up the sale losses.
 
random_matt said:
XSX will be at least £599, MS have a weaker box to make up the sale losses.
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You think there's an appetite for a super-expensive console? The PS3 launched at 599 and was roundly given a complete kicking at that price.

And the higher you go the more you're into gaming PC territory (can't go too much above 6/700, if at all).
 
FoxEye said:
You think there's an appetite for a super-expensive console? The PS3 launched at 599 and was roundly given a complete kicking at that price.

And the higher you go the more you're into gaming PC territory (can't go too much above 6/700, if at all).
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Yep, always said that myself, but always get the inflation argument.
 
I cant see people letting it fly. I know the PC community have a hard time letting the GPU companies run amok with the prices for high end these days but there's no way families are gonna stump that figure to get another console for their kids. A few gens ago consoles didn't have a subscription platform to suck out of you for their network, as this is the norm now with games £50 on release unless they can subsidise in some capacity £600 or more is a bit steep.
 
It's new tech! The prices always drop eventually. I started buying consoles 20 years ago and I always wait for the prices to drop by around 50% before I buy one.

I believe the original Playstation launched at about £299. I waited until it was £129.99.
I believe the orginal Xbox also launched at £299 yet I waited a few years and paid £129.99.

Why is it so important for it to be a bargain at launch?

New tech always starts off expensive for early adopters. Where have you all been for the last 20 years? Under a rock?

The new consoles can launch for £1,000 for all I care. Let the people in middle management, teachers, doctors, directors etc pay the early adopters price. I'll buy one after a few years when the price drops to £199.99.
 
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FoxEye said:
You think there's an appetite for a super-expensive console? The PS3 launched at 599 and was roundly given a complete kicking at that price.
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The equivalent now of that price is around £900, due to inflation as the other poster said. Alternatively you can look at it like a £599 price tag today is equivalent to the PS3 launching at £400-£420 back in 2006.
 
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