The 2 muppets.
So, this post office palaver then
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Ahh that's meaningless to me then lol.
More like they "lost" it when they realised how bad it made them look.
Commissario
I saw the guy saying that they didn't have the records.
And my immediate thought was, that's extremely convienient that they've no longer got the very information used in legal proceedings to persecute people and ruin them, right at the time when you know you're finally going to have to admit wrong doing and start to make good on it.
I would have assumed, that legally speaking the moment there is any query on a record it is kept, and that anything used in litigation, especially a prosecution should be maintained for a lot longer than basic accounting requirements.
I would be tempted to say that if the post office can't prove otherwise, then anything the victims can show should be taken as gospel, and multiplied (to help cover anything they no longer have documented), then a huge lump sum on top of that based partly on how long it has taken to sort it, and if that person had spent any time in jail it is again multiplied.
Make it really hurt for the company and make it extremely clear that this is what happens when as a company you pervert the course of justice and misuse the courts to ruin people.
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Caporegime
I rather suspect that no individual will end up on the hook for this after the inquiry is conducted. There will be a finding of systemic failure, recommendations for how to prevent it happening again, including recommendations for how computer information is presented and assessed in court, and that will be it.
Yes, from my experience, any documents used in litigation are classified as "Do Not Destroy". I'm not sure what happens after litigation is concluded.
Commissario
It's a big system with something like 10k terminals.
It's probably bigger in terms of locations than Tesco, Morrisons and Asda combined.
The figure doesn't surprise me.
Soldato
Well, there are almost 3,000 Tesco's in the UK, I would imagine they average more than 4 tills/terminals in a store, no?
Commissario
I meant locations rather than terminals.
There are nearly 10k post offices, whilst as you say tesco (IIRC the biggest UK supermarket chain) has ~3k locations.
While we can't necessarily believe any figures that come out of the Post Office:
But knowing the Post Office this could be a random made up figure which changes every time you refresh the screen.
Soldato
No, I don't dispute that, I think I was more confused by the comparison of terminals to locations, which has since been clarified
Ooof!
Due to work wasn't able to watch any today. Hopefully they were more credible than that Post Office investigator who came across as being a nasty piece of work. Although I do believe in the principle of innocent until proven guilty, I sincerely doubt that relevant evidence was lost or destroyed by accident here. It should be straightforward to establish who was in charge of what at the time the Post Office (and Fujitsu) were lying in court etc. If they can't prove there was some exceptional reason why the people calling the shots and signing off on those lies were somehow acting in good faith and not responsible, then appropriate punishment they should face.
Man of Honour
As it'll be a govt contract triple that amount at least by the time it's actually done
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The money due from the Post Office will ultimately come from us.
Soldato
no money was lost, it all stayed in the system, it just looked like it had been lost in the accounts the actual money was given out in change, paid into the bank etc
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which should then be claimed back from Fujitsu...........but since they are a large investor in the UK (nothing will happen, and the tax payer will bail them out)