Or when they can't stop caressing the hammer whilst staring at you and repeatedly muttering "The nail that sticks out gets hammered down".
So, what is an "Offensive Weapon" anyway??
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Or when they can't stop caressing the hammer whilst staring at you and repeatedly muttering "The nail that sticks out gets hammered down".
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Any weapon (sword, musket, 20mm Rarden canon, etc) not intended for use in the doing of harm by the person carrying it.
A properly proofed, deactivated firearm has been made/adapted for use in specifically NOT causing harm, for example, as has a rebated training sword, padded cudgel, etc.
Intent is there to cover those items not designed or adapted as a weapon, such as a walking stick, baseball bat, claw hammer, keyboard, USB cable or whatever, but was still being carried for the purpose of doing harm.
You're also deemed innocent until proven guilty, so the prosecution must successfully prove that you intended to use the item for doing harm.
If you can show that you are a member of such a club and have more than just a set of NDE tools with you, especially if you're NOT on your way to a burglary, then yeah. Still not a good idea, mind...
It has not been made or adapted for use in doing harm, so the prosecution would have to prove intent.
A rolled up newspaper is a very effective weapon, not least because most people never see it coming.
A rolled up newspaper is a very effective weapon, not least because most people never see it coming.
Rolled and folded the right way it can be deadly - thanks Bear Grylls.
I have a house full of real weapons very much made with the intention of killing people. These are proper, high-carbon steel swords and bayonets in almost as-new condition and made in the Georgian and Victorian eras when cavalry charges and hand-to-hand combat was commonplace. Some of them are very formidable-looking indeed. Almost none of them are as deadly as a humble kitchen knife.
It depends on the situation though.
On horseback, your humble kitchen knife is going to be pretty useless!
In an enclosed environment like inside a house, swinging a cavalry sabre around might land you success, but it might leave you very exposed to the much more nimble kitchen knife if you miss, or hit a wall etc.
So that's why the 5th Royal Sabatier Dragoons did poorly at Waterloo!
To clarify, I mean that all my weapons are completely blunt. Most military weapons were, and usually only sharpened when combat was likely, which was comparatively very rare. A skilled HEMA enthusiast would make mincemeat of a knife-wielder in any environment, I'm sure, but hardly anyone is such a thing.
To clarify, I mean that all my weapons are completely blunt. Most military weapons were, and usually only sharpened when combat was likely, which was comparatively very rare. A skilled HEMA enthusiast would make mincemeat of a knife-wielder in any environment, I'm sure, but hardly anyone is such a thing.
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I dunno about skilled... not so much these days, anyway... but there are still those situations and environments where the knife will be a problem for even the most skilled practitioners.
However, a 3' blunted blade is still 3' of steel and can do a heck-load of damage. It ain't always about how sharp it is!
Tell me you have a sword bayonet for a Baker Rifle, though?
No collection is complete without one!!
What about the points?
From what I remember, and I'm more of a firearms man than a bladed weapons expert, many of the cavalry type weapons were
deliberately left blunt except for the point, the aim being that the cavalryman used the point for its' penetration rather than wildly slashing about doing far less serious damage?
Pretty sure I've seen WW1 footage of British cavalry training, where they would skewer watermelons on the tips of sabres at full gallop!
Reminds me of the trailer fight scene in Kill Bill
For those that might not know what I am referring too, Two women are fighting in the confines of a trailer, neither can draw their swords however because there is not enough room to do so
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You could kill someone with a pencil if you wanted so meh.
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Many arts do train for some situations like that. I remember some Iai-Do that centred around your buddy next to you being attacked from the opposite side and you having to fight around him from a knelt position.Reminds me of the trailer fight scene in Kill Bill
If they're properly blunted/training weapons the points will be rounded, to about the diameter of a 5p, IIRC...
The problem with cavalry weapons is that they're usually unwieldy, heavy, useless metal clubs... unless you happen to be mounted on a charging horse, from which position they're actually designed to be used.
So fear not the weaponed man, but the one who gets on the Tube while riding a horse.... err, yeah.
But it's not, in itself, an offensive weapon...
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So what would you think about this kept in the car...
It's my steering lock someone bought me for a birthday about 20years ago (and is actually used as one)
It's about 4kg steel
It's my steering lock someone bought me for a birthday about 20years ago (and is actually used as one)
It's about 4kg steel
Tell me you have a sword bayonet for a Baker Rifle, though?
No collection is complete without one!!
I had a Baker bayonet that was made in Nepal (their armouries copied a lot of British Empire weapons and they hoarded it all until about a decade ago). I sold it on. I'm not a Sharpe fan.
A few of the points on some Patterns are sharpish, but with the blades blunt I doubt it would be hard to get past the point of an unskilled wielder. There's a good reason why Fairbairn-Sykes Fighting Knives are very small and bayonets were cut-down for proper trench fighting.
The WWI-era cavalry sword was completely thrust-centric so it could only be used as a short lance, essentially. It was the 1908 Pattern if anyone wants to have a look (1912 Pattern for officers). Before that, there was a compromise between cut and thrust, with cut-centric being used by the cavalry further back, during the Napoleonic era.
Sorry for this massive derailment of the thread!
this is the point thew law is about the weapon itself being the offense.
an every day object suddenly used as a wepaon doesnt matter because you wont be charged with posession but the attack
I had a Baker bayonet that was made in Nepal (their armouries copied a lot of British Empire weapons and they hoarded it all until about a decade ago). I sold it on. I'm not a Sharpe fan.
A few of the points on some Patterns are sharpish, but with the blades blunt I doubt it would be hard to get past the point of an unskilled wielder. There's a good reason why Fairbairn-Sykes Fighting Knives are very small and bayonets were cut-down for proper trench fighting.
The WWI-era cavalry sword was completely thrust-centric so it could only be used as a short lance, essentially. It was the 1908 Pattern if anyone wants to have a look (1912 Pattern for officers). Before that, there was a compromise between cut and thrust, with cut-centric being used by the cavalry further back, during the Napoleonic era.
Sorry for this massive derailment of the thread!
out of curiosity if you ran someone threw with a sword ona galloping horse wouldn't you nopw have 10st of human on the end of a sord, does that not rip it out of your hand?
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OP's face is an offensive weapon...
Heh... hehhh......
I'm so funny.
Heh... hehhh......
I'm so funny.
You're so late to the party is what you are!
That's not a nice thing to say about your face.
I'm sure you're not that ugly!
You're trained to allow your sword arm to move to accommodate the man coming off. So you start with the sword pointing forwards, skewer your enemy as you gallop past, and finish with the sword pointing backwards. Hope that makes sense!