So what's the verdict so far on the Ryzen Processors?

[AhhBisto]

So I've looked into Ryzen for last few weeks having been massively out of touch for years on CPU technology.

Now I can't really make heads or tails out of the reviews as there has been 2 generations with a 3rd potentially to ship this year.

I understand that they're getting really good multicore scores especially per £, but reliability may be lacking especially in the first gen Ryzen especially with driver support?

Is this just a case of AMD being behind for so long they dont have the manufacturer support that intel has?

 

[Destination]

Nope.

 

[kitfit1]

I understand that they're getting really good multicore scores especially per £, but reliability may be lacking especially in the first gen Ryzen especially with driver support?

Is this just a case of AMD being behind for so long they dont have the manufacturer support that intel has?

It looks to me that you obviously need a lot longer than the "few weeks" you have so far devoted to "looking into Ryzen"

Out of interest, what specific "driver support" reliability are you referring to ?

 

[Vince]

So I've looked into Ryzen for last few weeks having been massively out of touch for years on CPU technology.

Now I can't really make heads or tails out of the reviews as there has been 2 generations with a 3rd potentially to ship this year.

I understand that they're getting really good multicore scores especially per £, but reliability may be lacking especially in the first gen Ryzen especially with driver support?

Is this just a case of AMD being behind for so long they dont have the manufacturer support that intel has?

I don't get it? Reliability? A 2080ti you "might" call an issue in terms of reliability, but a ryzen processor? Reliability wise a ryzen is as unlikely to fail as any other processor. How many dead processors have you seen recently? Personally i've seen only one in the last 10 years or so that genuinely failed. In terms of driver and platform support, the issues with memory management etc, generally speaking the real issues come when using NUMA memory and something like 2990WX 32 Core/64 Thread with only quad channel memory, where issues were noted in windows with memory management, more specifically microsofts implementation of it's scheduler and windows ability to properly utilise the capability of such a processor, this is something that many of windows 10's recent updates have been slowly correcting. Put simply ryzen is a new and very good architecture that caters to all markets and is as good as, in many instances, intels best.

 

[chrcoluk]

See this what I just written.

https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/posts/32531142

In non turbo clocks they blow intel away for efficiency, for turbo mode they make intel turbo mode look primitive, intel's turbo for all core is barely an o/c, for low cores it only works when it can put cores into deep sleep. Which is why on the intel platform people often enable MCE or apply manual all core o/c. AMD's all core o/c doesnt need C6 state it works on existing TDP/thermal headroom instead its a massive step forward for auto o/c.

Now AMD is behind on clock speeds, but at the same time you get more cores for your money so they better at multi core workload's for a set budget, they behind on single core workload but its a lot closer than they used to be with the FX chips.

On other OS aside from windows there is stuff to be worked on, although its still stable. e.g. in linux I couldnt find a tool to monitor live clock speeds but also to point out I didnt spend that long looking, plus the kernel counters seem to max out at max stock speeds not turbo speeds. However boost does work in linux, I did some testing and there is the performance boost from it.

ESXi was harder to diagnose as that is so restrictive in what it can do especially on consumer hardware , but when I disabled CPB in the bios (turbo) benchmarks inside guests were slower which indicates turbo does work in ESXi, however in my view their scheduler is not optimised, it has a reliance on c-states as if its coded for intel chips, whilst in windows c-states has very little impact on XFR.

I am getting no stability issues in either windows, ESXi or linux.

With intel's current pricing its a no brainer right now. I built a 2600X rig with 16 gig of ram for a total cost of under £350 for board, ram and cpu.

At the time I built my 8600k rig things were different, intel prices were still sane then and ryzen 2 was yet to be launched.

 

[Rroff]

I built a few 1700/1800 based systems for people with some odd issues, nothing huge overall (some problems with RAM or storage controller compatibility, etc.) but had individual CPUs that had to be replaced. More recently built some 2600 systems which so far have been flawless - pretty much plug and play, great performance especially for the money and for some reason seem faster booting than the 1xxx series.

 

[AhhBisto]

Thanks for the information guys, it wasn't reliability as such as failure but in terms of in game and in applications. I saw people having issues with support for adobe video editing products and some game titles such as GTA 5 not performing as they should.

Don't get me wrong it defiantly is a fantastic CPU. I know there was some misinformation as some of the reviews and testing was on the 1st gen not the 2nd and overall 2nd gen did fantastic.

 

[AiiR]

Built a Plex media server on unraid with a Ryzen 1700 and it's been superb.

 

[Skynet5]

Built a Plex media server on unraid with a Ryzen 1700 and it's been superb.

As is a £50 intel processor that streams and transcodes to multiple hd devices at the same time.

Why put such a chip and board in for a Plex server? Was it just spare? Or do you do other things with it?

 

[Dirk Diggler]

I moved to 2700x from 5960x and there wasn't much in it except obviously the 2700x was much less expensive. Having bought a 1440p 144Hz monitor to pair up with my 1080ti I now have the 2700x up for sale as it's holding the GPU back.

For high FPS gaming, Ryzen is not a good choice. It really does depend on use case when deciding what to buy.

 

[Wommers]

For high FPS gaming, Ryzen is not a good choice. It really does depend on use case when deciding what to buy.

I reckon Zen 2 will sort this issue

 

[slipperydave]

but reliability may be lacking especially in the first gen Ryzen especially with driver support?

and which pro-Intel forum/website did you read that?

 

[Stephanie Peterson]

Lol @ reliability..
Best stick with Intel if you want total reliability, i mean they aint pushing there chips to the edge with stupid power consumption and massive heat output on a process that should have been abandoned by now... ohh no not Intel.
Same with all the spectre and meltdown type vulns, nope not intel... thats everyone else's problem.

Yep totally safe Intel, no one ever got fired for buying Intel...

 

[ShrimpBrime]

So I've looked into Ryzen for last few weeks having been massively out of touch for years on CPU technology.

Now I can't really make heads or tails out of the reviews as there has been 2 generations with a 3rd potentially to ship this year.

I understand that they're getting really good multicore scores especially per £, but reliability may be lacking especially in the first gen Ryzen especially with driver support?

Is this just a case of AMD being behind for so long they dont have the manufacturer support that intel has?

Intel makes faster processors period. Always have.... well for quite a long time now..... So not sure about the last question there.
AMD and Intel Price accordingly.

I've been running Ryzen for a year with a 1400 in the HTPC and I've yet to find driver supprt issues...... That's more of an operating system issue than anything.
had a 3770K ( the most current for me personally) and I'd say my Ryzen 2700x is faster all around single and multithreaded. For other gaming benchmark inquires, go to HWBot and compare Intel to AMD and see how they perform with certain video cards and what not. It's a good way to see where the performance is at between the two manufacturers.
Reviews need to be taken with a grain of salt for the most part. Technical facts should be more important than opinion. The words that are bad in reviews is = "I think this about the cpu or it's performance." "I feel that this processor is this or that"
The review should be way more straight forward. I seen some that total bias opinion just clouded all the testing lol.

If you want the FASTEST processor, you buy an Intel i9 9900K today and it's the fastest all around hands down by fact. However in July..... It may not be. So yea you could wait a few months and find out today if the i9 9900K is still the fastest in the near future. And the proof is when it's purchased and used by end users. I trust people's words in the OC forums over most reviews because overclockers do it based on facts and fun.

But really, your questions are not well thought. Almost bait worthy and I'm not trying to offend you if your questions are serious lol.

 

[Vince]

Intel makes faster processors period. Always have.... well for quite a long time now..... So not sure about the last question there.
AMD and Intel Price accordingly.

I've been running Ryzen for a year with a 1400 in the HTPC and I've yet to find driver supprt issues...... That's more of an operating system issue than anything.
had a 3770K ( the most current for me personally) and I'd say my Ryzen 2700x is faster all around single and multithreaded. For other gaming benchmark inquires, go to HWBot and compare Intel to AMD and see how they perform with certain video cards and what not. It's a good way to see where the performance is at between the two manufacturers.
Reviews need to be taken with a grain of salt for the most part. Technical facts should be more important than opinion. The words that are bad in reviews is = "I think this about the cpu or it's performance." "I feel that this processor is this or that"
The review should be way more straight forward. I seen some that total bias opinion just clouded all the testing lol.

If you want the FASTEST processor, you buy an Intel i9 9900K today and it's the fastest all around hands down by fact. However in July..... It may not be. So yea you could wait a few months and find out today if the i9 9900K is still the fastest in the near future. And the proof is when it's purchased and used by end users. I trust people's words in the OC forums over most reviews because overclockers do it based on facts and fun.

But really, your questions are not well thought. Almost bait worthy and I'm not trying to offend you if your questions are serious lol.

I'm pretty sure the 9900k isn't the fastest processor hands down, as you put it. I am sure there are plenty of workloads that I use where my 1950x will hand it a good old spanking.

In fact some of what I need my cpu for wouldn't even be possible on a 9900k.

 

[MeatLoaf]

I came from a 6700K to a 1600X. Not really noticed any difference tbh.

 

[~>Dg<~]

weird swap.

 

[4K8KW10]

I'm pretty sure the 9900k isn't the fastest processor hands down, as you put it. I am sure there are plenty of workloads that I use where my 1950x will hand it a good old spanking.

In fact some of what I need my cpu for wouldn't even be possible on a 9900k.

intel currently doesn't have the fastest processor overall - that should be some EPYC or Threadripper.


https://www.extremetech.com/computi...f-intel-skylake-sp-xeon-massive-server-battle

 

[Avalon]

As is a £50 intel processor that streams and transcodes to multiple hd devices at the same time.

Why put such a chip and board in for a Plex server? Was it just spare? Or do you do other things with it?

He did specifically say it was an UnRAID box, UnRAID users tend to use onboard SATA and HBA's to pack many drives into a single system or expand it via disk shelf/pod set-up (x370+R1700/32GB/H310 HBA + many drives user here), so as well as UnRAID's core functions, Plex will be docker based, likely so will Ombi/Tautulli/Sonarr/Radarr/NZBGet/RuTorrent/rclone etc. plus whatever else is running as a Unraid plugin/VM. I'm a big advocate of an efficient Plex server/client set-up and when it comes to PlexPass users, it's hard to ignore intel's dominance due to iGPU, but it's not always ideal/desirable/possible to make use of hardware transcoding and not everyone pays for PlexPass, so CPU is still the most compatible/forgiving solution.

Op - Please spend 30 mins actually doing what you claim to have done for a few weeks, your post reads like a car crash of poor assumption and lack of basic understanding. 1st gen Ryzen had one slightly obscure but horrible issue in the first few weeks of manufacturing, all affected chips were offered free replacements, other than that and the obligatory new platform/chipset teething issues that were for the most part mitigated and/or fixed some time ago, the platform is generally stable. Before you assume this was an AMD thing, intel have support issues with the 9 series under some OS'. Ryzen is a solid performer in multithreaded workloads and excellent value compared to intel, it's slightly lacking in outright single core performance vs high end intel processors, despite what you'd think, a lot of tasks are still largely dependant on single core performance. Either way without knowing what you actually want to use it for, it's a largely moot point.

 

[AhhBisto]

As is a £50 intel processor that streams and transcodes to multiple hd devices at the same time.

Why put such a chip and board in for a Plex server? Was it just spare? Or do you do other things with it?

I actually used the pc that blew it caps on my fact for plex. Can't say I had any issues with the dual core cpu that was 13 years old. L

He did specifically say it was an UnRAID box, UnRAID users tend to use onboard SATA and HBA's to pack many drives into a single system or expand it via disk shelf/pod set-up (x370+R1700/32GB/H310 HBA + many drives user here), so as well as UnRAID's core functions, Plex will be docker based, likely so will Ombi/Tautulli/Sonarr/Radarr/NZBGet/RuTorrent/rclone etc. plus whatever else is running as a Unraid plugin/VM. I'm a big advocate of an efficient Plex server/client set-up and when it comes to PlexPass users, it's hard to ignore intel's dominance due to iGPU, but it's not always ideal/desirable/possible to make use of hardware transcoding and not everyone pays for PlexPass, so CPU is still the most compatible/forgiving solution.

Op - Please spend 30 mins actually doing what you claim to have done for a few weeks, your post reads like a car crash of poor assumption and lack of basic understanding. 1st gen Ryzen had one slightly obscure but horrible issue in the first few weeks of manufacturing, all affected chips were offered free replacements, other than that and the obligatory new platform/chipset teething issues that were for the most part mitigated and/or fixed some time ago, the platform is generally stable. Before you assume this was an AMD thing, intel have support issues with the 9 series under some OS'. Ryzen is a solid performer in multithreaded workloads and excellent value compared to intel, it's slightly lacking in outright single core performance vs high end intel processors, despite what you'd think, a lot of tasks are still largely dependant on single core performance. Either way without knowing what you actually want to use it for, it's a largely moot point.

Thanks again everyone for the information.

Honestly nothing I was saying was to be bait worthy or to upset anyone. I haven't been interested in the amd platform since the early athlon days. And been out of the game for a couple of years.

Reliablity was defiantly the wrong word to use, so I apologise.