So when is football going to join the 20th century? (Flether's red card)

[DanTheMan]

Although I'm a United fan and I'm absolutely gutted for Fletcher, I don't think football is the type of game for things like this to happen in unless they can find a way to do it without stopping the game and without changing results after the game.

Just look at how much stick the FIA get in F1 for involving themselves to much when all people want is to see some decent racing. Football needs controversy and it's a game based on fluency with as little stoppages as possible.

I don't think it should happen.

 

[AGD]

I think they should implement goal-line technology before anything else.

 

[FrankJH]

Fair enough, he touched the ball first, but he didn't clear the ball did he? He just nudged it to the right a little bit, Fabregas would still have got there, but he got tripped instead.

he knocked it wider than the goal mouth - and given the distance, making it very difficult indeed to take a shot

 

[Tummy]

Why every professional club in the world?

If for instance its trialled in the english leagues, how does that give the english teams an advantage in europe against a foreign team?

It wouldnt be the first time that FIFA have trialled a rule only in one region.

Once again I say, better to give it a try than just dismiss it out of hand. IMO anyway.

Because you'd be giving teams an unfair advantage.

A low league team goes to Old Trafford, goal is offside, even though the lines man didn't flag.
Manchester United go to low league team, scores an offside goal, dumps them out of the cup.

It's not fair.
You can't have one rule for one, and one for another.

In theory, its a good idea, but actually doing it, isn't so easy.

You'd have to give it to blue square teams not just the Prem.
I'm not for this, takes away the excitement of the game, and gives ref even less control.

 

[Sone]

Fair enough, he touched the ball first, but he didn't clear the ball did he? He just nudged it to the right a little bit, Fabregas would still have got there, but he got tripped instead.

they made that argument on ESPN, the touch wasn't strong enough to stop the goal scoring oppertunity. (although espn coverage makes me wish i had itv )

 

[dokko]

Seen players sent off for clearer tackles than that, Beye being one of them this season. People only bothered due to it being Manu and a place missing in the final, for me not even news worthy these days.

But i agree, rules do need changing.

 

[Tombstone]

Because you'd be giving teams an unfair advantage.

A low league team goes to Old Trafford, goal is offside, even though the lines man didn't flag.
Manchester United go to low league team, scores an offside goal, dumps them out of the cup.

It's not fair.
You can't have one rule for one, and one for another.

In theory, its a good idea, but actually doing it, isn't so easy.

You'd have to give it to blue square teams not just the Prem.
I'm not for this, takes away the excitement of the game, and gives ref even less control.

I agree, which is why I said from the start that it would have to apply to all english leagues, and not just one specific english league.

Cant see why it should be a problem to trial it for 1 season in all english leagues, see how it works out.

I'd be happy to accept a limited "flags" system, a la tennis/nfl per match. It wouldnt impact on my excitement of the game at all, for me the excitement is watching the match and seeing the play, not a 10 second maybe it was a penalty, maybe not penalty decision which potentially could ruin a match. For me, the opportunity for a lower league club to use a claim to verify that a penalty in a cup game against a top tier club was indeed a penalty, rather than them lose the cup match because of a lack of replay is a sensible one.

Though having said that, as I mentioned earlier, I am for more professionalism within football rather than this inconsistency. Hell I remember when they claimed that having the ref communicate with his linesmen would ruin the game, but in all honesty its improved the game. A further aid like limited flags for decisions like this would be a help to refs imo. Just look at that Howard Webb decision where after the match he apologised and said that it wasnt a penalty afterall in the spurs-utd match, I reckon he would have welcomed the chance to get that decision right and not suffer the flak for it that he did.

 

[fez]

Because you'd be giving teams an unfair advantage.

A low league team goes to Old Trafford, goal is offside, even though the lines man didn't flag.
Manchester United go to low league team, scores an offside goal, dumps them out of the cup.

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Huh, both teams would have one game with a replay system and one without in a two leg match. It could work out the other way, with man utd getting theirs disallowed at old trafford and then the lower league side getting away with it in their home game.

I think that that is the reason for not implementing it at the moment. Both teams have it the same, the other week against totenham we got a weak penalty and everyone was up in arms, this week it went the other way. Swings and roundabout. People say that the top 4 get a lot more decisions than anyone else but that is due to their superiority over most other sides. If you are all over the opposition then its unlikely for there to be many fouls in your own box. Thus when you get dodgy decisions up the oppos end everyone screams blue murder and that you get preferential treatment. Reality is that you make your own luck, you cant give away penalties when you have the ball.

I really feel for fletcher and I think that in hindsight they should be able to revoke the red. He would still have missed the rest of the game for a perfect challenge but he wouldnt miss out on the final. That is something that should be changed but I like the way football is at the moment. They need to just make referees more accountable. A horrendous tackle could ruin a game for a team and result in a lengthy ban, a horrendous decision from a ref can ruin a competition and there is no accountability.

 

[Tummy]

Who's going to pay for it ?

The FA (ha)
Fifa ?
Uefa ? (ha)

Instead of video replays.
Why don't we train ref's and officals to work in 5/6 man teams.
That way they can have a better understanding of each other, and you can pick a little group to do games. Not just mix and match linesmen / refs.

Why don't we better train the ref's because this season they have being awful, why don't we put more effort into the refs.

 

[Tombstone]

As above though, if all english leagues had the replay system then nobody would have an unfair advantage. Everyone would be equal. Where would the money for that come from? I am sure that the football industry could locate the money, hell if they can pay 30 million for players and £100,000 a week for people to sit on the bench and £500 million a season for televising matches....I'm sure they could find the money for a replay system of some kind.

Thats IF they are happy to admit that sometimes refs get things wrong, which the FA doesnt seem to be overly keen on admitting to. As I keep saying though, I would rather see them at least consider the viability of it, and see what they can try out than just outright dismissing the idea altogether. Better to try and fail than not even give the effort to try

 

[dokko]

Who's going to pay for it ?

The FA (ha)
Fifa ?
Uefa ? (ha)

Instead of video replays.
Why don't we train ref's and officals to work in 5/6 man teams.
That way they can have a better understanding of each other, and you can pick a little group to do games. Not just mix and match linesmen / refs.

Why don't we better train the ref's because this season they have being awful, why don't we put more effort into the refs.

We do but but most of them quit before getting to a respectable level due to abuse at the grass roots level.

Only way we can get better refs is it retrain ex footballers, fast tracking them and getting them back into the game with a decent level of respect from the current crop, but then they'd have too many loyalties to various clubs which would prove difficult.

 

[BaZ87]

The only way to bring Technology in is to use the Tennis/NFL claim system where by you get 'x' number of appeals before the match and you can use them how and when you see fit.

I'd absolutely hate to see this happen. The only bit of technology that needs to come into play is some kind of goal line technology that instantly tells the officials if the ball has crossed the line.

Oh and have a truely independent panel review the weeks matches and overturn decisions where needs be.

 

[Tombstone]

I'd absolutely hate to see this happen. The only bit of technology that needs to come into play is some kind of goal line technology that instantly tells the officials if the ball has crossed the line.

And for penalties too? Seeing as a penalty is (usually) a goal. (and potentially a fundamentally game altering card)

 

[nikebee]

To be honest, I've never been entirely convinced about the video decisions idea and putting into footy. I'd like to see it introduced for balls crossing the lines and possibly for offsides myself but I'm not 100% into the idea.


If what they said on ITV last night is correct and that it couldn't be overturned unless it was mistaken identity; then the only thing I really think UEFA need to look at is the appeals against red cards rule in European competitions.

 

[BaZ87]

And for penalties too? Seeing as a penalty is (usually) a goal.

No because it's a matter of opinion rather than fact.

Even the Fletcher penalty and red card yesterday is still being debated now. Not that i agree but there are quite a few people (including an ex-official) that say the ref made the correct decision.

I was watching the Cricket in the winter and their referral system was an absolute joke; players admitted they didn't like it because they didn't want to offend the umpires and even with the tv replays, what was considered by the majority to be the correct decision was far from always given.

In the majority of incidents a conclusive answer won't be given and it'll just slow the game down.

 

[Tombstone]

No because it's a matter of opinion rather than fact.

Even the Fletcher penalty and red card yesterday is still being debated now. Not that i agree but there are quite a few people (including an ex-official) that say the ref made the correct decision.

I was watching the Cricket in the winter and their referral system was an absolute joke; players admitted they didn't like it because they didn't want to offend the umpires and even with the tv replays, what was considered by the majority to be the correct decision was far from always given.

In the majority of incidents a conclusive answer won't be given and it'll just slow the game down.

Well surely a foul is either in the box or its not, so its a matter of fact rather than opinion?

 

[Tombstone]

Come to think of it, they dont even need to trial it through the leagues for a season. Why not just trial it for 1 season in 1 competition. Say, the league cup, or the johnsons trophy or something. I see no reason why it couldnt just at least be trialled to see how viable it is.

 

[BaZ87]

Well surely a foul is either in the box or its not, so its a matter of fact rather than opinion?

Sorry i thought you meant whether it was a foul or not rather than whether it was in or out of the box.

That sort of decision is usually pretty rare but if it can be done quickly then its not an issue.

 

[Tombstone]

Sorry i thought you meant whether it was a foul or not rather than whether it was in or out of the box.

That sort of decision is usually pretty rare but if it can be done quickly then its not an issue.

Yeah I meant for fouls around the box lines, its quite a rare occurence but happens from time to time.

It would all be part of the replay system as its refined over time, I'm not suggesting that a replay system be complete and implemented in 1 season flat. It could be introduced and tweaked over time, much as most of footballs rules are. Like I say, I remember the debates about allowing the ref to talk to his linesmen, hell I even remember the debates about having 2 linesmen instead of 1, back then people said it would be detrimental to the game and were proved wrong. Just give it a chance, a small trial, thats all I ask. Seems a sensible thing to do. Might just be me though.

 

[a1ex2001]

Who's going to pay for it ?

The FA (ha)
Fifa ?
Uefa ? (ha)

Instead of video replays.
Why don't we train ref's and officals to work in 5/6 man teams.
That way they can have a better understanding of each other, and you can pick a little group to do games. Not just mix and match linesmen / refs.

Why don't we better train the ref's because this season they have being awful, why don't we put more effort into the refs.

The game is starved of Refs in general not just good ones, there is a massive shortage lower down the pyramid and that is where these guys learn the trade. The premier league gets te cream of the crop but when the cream is so thin you always going to get some complaints.

Personally I'm not against a trial of replays and other technologies, however I don't think in general they will make a huge difference 9 times out of 10 the right team wins regardless of the ref so this would still happen also you would still get quite a lot of decisions where the TV couldn't help due to bad angles etc we see this most weeeks in the prem. If the football authroities want to make a real difference to football I'd much rather see them sort out the harassing of officials and the abuse that some of the top players seem to think it is ok to give them.

Not convinced by the people saying you would need cameras at every pro ground in the country as it's not workable and totally unafordable the extra cameras, other technology and people to run it simply are not available. As long as both teams know what system is in place before kick off then it really would make no difference.