So will the 6 core AMD will outperform i7?

[easyrider]

It's just funny watching people get wound up about hardware.

Not really

Just highlighting BS statements.

TBH its you that is getting wound up

 

[Pneumonic]

Anyway I think we should keep the thread on topic.. are plenty of places for people to argue generally above Intel vs AMD..

Lets keep this argument just to X6 vs i7

 

[Nelly]

So will the 6 core AMD will outperform i7?

As an hypothesis, I dont think it will at all, waste of time for gaming so I wont be buying one.

I've got my 140W X4 955 (C2) clocked to 3.4GHz on stock voltage by just upping the CPU-NB VID by +.100

I'm hoping for 3.6Ghz on stock volts for a 95W CPU - not sure if Zosma is being released on April 26th at the same time as Thuban I'll probally go for the Zosma.

Looking forward to results when the NDA is dropped, I haven't seen anything online as yet.

 

[wannabedamned]

Exactly my point.
It's just funny watching people get wound up about hardware.

I dont think anyone was getting wound up, its just silly posting things that arent true

 

[Pneumonic]

As an hypothesis, I dont think it will at all, waste of time for gaming so I wont be buying one.

I've got my 140W X4 955 (C2) clocked to 3.4GHz on stock voltage by just upping the CPU-NB VID by +.100

I'm hoping for 3.6Ghz on stock volts for a 95W CPU - not sure if Zosma is being released on April 26th at the same time as Thuban I'll probally go for the Zosma.

Looking forward to results when the NDA is dropped, I haven't seen anything online as yet.

Zosma are X6 with two cores disabled / not working..

 

[jrwagh333]

Bulldozer will be a new architecture... So is Thuban just a Phenom X4 with 2 extra cores stitched on?

 

[Pneumonic]

Thuban has some features that weren't expected on AMD CPU until 32nm process, such as power-gating. As such these could be described as the tock in a "tick-tock" 45nm process. The new Zosma quad cores have a TDP of only 95w reduced from 140w on the C2 PII and 125w on the C3 PII.. the X6 have a 125w TDP, so two extra cores for the same heat-output as the current high-end X4 C3..

Again no one is arguing that clock for clock these will be as fast as an i7.. but they have extra grunt in two additional cores at what looks like a cheaper price..

Now in a proper multi-thread app... (which after all is why people buy i7?) I think the X6 will be maybe 20 - 30% faster.. In apps that don't multi-thread then the i7 will be faster clock for clock

 

[Sylver123]

Thuban has some features that weren't expected on AMD CPU until 32nm process, such as power-gating. As such these could be described as the tock in a "tick-tock" 45nm process. The new Zosma quad cores have a TDP of only 95w reduced from 140w on the C2 PII and 125w on the C3 PII.. the X6 have a 125w TDP, so two extra cores for the same heat-output as the current high-end X4 C3..

Again no one is arguing that clock for clock these will be as fast as an i7.. but they have extra grunt in two additional cores at what looks like a cheaper price..

Now in a proper multi-thread app... (which after all is why people buy i7?) I think the X6 will be maybe 20 - 30% faster.. In apps that don't multi-thread then the i7 will be faster clock for clock

Are you talking about that the AMD X6 will be 20 - 30% faster in proper multi-thread app than normal i7s or do you mean it`ill be faster than even a i7 980X six-core as well???

 

[JonJ678]

I'm pretty certain he means relative to the 920. Wouldn't like to guess if that's at equal clock speeds or both at stock.

The i7 980X is likely to be to the X6 as the 920 is to the X4.

 

[Pneumonic]

Yes by "i7" I am talking 920/930

Would be a bit of a silly comparing a reportedly sub £200 CPU with one that's likely to be £1500 ish

 

[Sylver123]

I'm pretty certain he means relative to the 920. Wouldn't like to guess if that's at equal clock speeds or both at stock.

The i7 980X is likely to be to the X6 as the 920 is to the X4.

I only ask because I didn`t fully understand properly what he meant by X6 will be maybe 20 - 30% faster than i7, especially when every word on the internet suggests that the i7 980X will probably be the faster chip all around for most things.

 

[JonJ678]

Fair confusion to be honest. i7 is used almost synonymously with the i7 920 (or now 930 I suppose) because the rest of the range cost far more for minimal performance improvement.

The 980X is a different beast entirely. It's expected that sandy bridge will come out on dual/quad core first, taking a long time indeed to make it to six cores. This suggests the 980X will enjoy a long lifetime at the top of the single chip tables. It's probably a better investment than it looks.

 

[Pneumonic]

i7 980X was always previously considered i9

 

[sampo]

Would be a bit of a silly comparing a reportedly sub £200 CPU with one that's likely to be £1500 ish

I believe the MSRP on the i7 980x is ~$999, so probably not £1500. Still a lot more than £200 and a lot more than I am prepared to pay. The mainstream hexcore for release in Q3 will probably be half that and more a price/performance sweetspot for certain users.

 

[PhoenixUK]

How suprising, the previous troll-thread died so he made a new one : ).

Anyways, I wonder if those can unlock to 8/12 core hahaha .
Well, will be interesting to see what the price is like even thought I doubt
it will be any use to gaming as most titles can't even utilise quads yet.

If it comes down at around 200GBP it will be amazing value for the price I suppose and maybe we can see some price drops on the current quads both from intel and amd so at the end of the day it's all good for us !

Wouldn't mind to see i7 dropping to ¬150-160, i5 to 120 and i3 to around 60 : ).
965 or incoming 975 at ¬100-120 would be a steal too !

 

[Pneumonic]

I believe the MSRP on the i7 980x is ~$999, so probably not £1500. Still a lot more than £200 and a lot more than I am prepared to pay. The mainstream hexcore for release in Q3 will probably be half that and more a price/performance sweetspot for certain users.

Its $999 per 1000 so that is wholesale.. this is Rip Off Britain, with an ever decreasing £ to $ value at the mo

 

[Nelly]

Zosma are X6 with two cores disabled / not working..

Aye, I've never owned a CPU with cores disabled - if it runs cooler than the C3 965 & clocks to 3.6GHz + on stock voltage I'll be happy.

 

[sculptor]

You guys seem to be forgetting Hyper Threading, a 920 can run 8 threads.
Xbit Labs have already tested the 6 core Opteron CPUs against an i7 920 and the 920 beats the Opterons in just about everything.
My guess is a 920 running at 4.0GHz would deffinately be faster than the new Phenon X6 running at the same speed, sorry guys just think thats how its going to be.
sculptor.

 

[DireEmblem]

Geezo, trust easy to start a thread like this.

Does he/she not know how to use google?

There is far too *little information out there to make any sound decisions atm.

 

[Pneumonic]

You guys seem to be forgetting Hyper Threading, a 920 can run 8 threads.
Xbit Labs have already tested the 6 core Opteron CPUs against an i7 920 and the 920 beats the Opterons in just about everything.
My guess is a 920 running at 4.0GHz would deffinately be faster than the new Phenon X6 running at the same speed, sorry guys just think thats how its going to be.
sculptor.

Considering it's a different architecture that's a poor comparison... the six-core Opteron is a low power server chip designed to run at 75w TDP if memory is correct, and is DDR2 based.. the whole idea is low watt / ghz and therefore it is not going to compete ghz to ghz with a high-power desktop.. it was never designed to

Hyper-threading is not the same as extra cores, all it does is use free clock cycles.. therefore in well written, multi-thread apps you actually see less benefit over have actual cores..