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Socket-A - Barton 3200+

Advice

Ok thanks for your advice.

Just a bit more if you may.

I am not looking for a top spec machine, just one that can handle my tv card every now and again, and encode some edited movies.

My 2400+ at the mo runs very hot and not as fast as when it was new!

A few months back i invested in 2 sata drives, new graphics card and 1gb ddr ram to boost things up, as i thought I would be able to use these in the future.

What do you think would improve this average ship for the least money. New board/chip. Something I can buy now and then in the future build on with ddr2 ram, pci express graphics card, but for the time being run my old stuff if you see what i mean.

Thanks
 
haribo85 said:
What do you think would improve this average ship for the least money. New board/chip. Something I can buy now and then in the future build on with ddr2 ram, pci express graphics card, but for the time being run my old stuff if you see what i mean.
Thanks
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There aren't any boards that i know of that take DDR1 and/or DDR2 RAM, so there isnt an unpgrade path from DDR1 to DDR2 without changing your mobo.

You can go socket 939, 64bit now very cheaply:
An a64 3500 2nd hand will set you back £50ish on here.
An ASRock DualSATA mobo with AGP & PCI-e slot can be had for £35 2nd hand.

You could use your current RAM, GFx with this and have an upgrade path without spending too much.

Keeping with socket A, you have no upgrade path. Going to AM2 or Conroe and you are spending on new RAM as well as mobo/GFx/CPU and probably a PSU too.

M
 
Thanks, what do you mean by second hand on here??

So its either go all on now for an am2 rig which will set me back quite a bit, or a smaller investment for the 3500 and a mobo.

Will i definately notice a difference from my 2400+ athlon which isnt overclocked?
 
just bagged a 2600-m on egay with an uber stepping last night for £56 :)

my friends also upgradin from a socket A duron setup, and he's bought a fair bit of his stuff on egay. the past week or 2 we've seen A64 3200+'s goin for as little as £36. seen a few on buy it now for about £45 too, couple that with a 939 board of some description (asus A8N NF4 jobby maybe or somethin along them lines??) and you should be able to use your g-card, hdd's and ram with it no problem. should also run cooler (depending on heatsink and case airflow) and a bit faster than your 2400+ currently

i used to have a 2400+ in a shuttle and i used to get temps of around 40 - 45 idle depending on weather and occasionally went up to 60 on full load. what temps are you getting with yours??
 
haribo85 said:
Thanks, what do you mean by second hand on here??

So its either go all on now for an am2 rig which will set me back quite a bit, or a smaller investment for the 3500 and a mobo.

Will i definately notice a difference from my 2400+ athlon which isnt overclocked?
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The 3500 is a considerably faster beast. You could use a 3000/3200 and see an improvement - the 3500 will be very noticeable. A 3000/3200 will fetch about £40 on here.

By on here i mean in the OCuk Members Market (you need 250 posts to join i think). You can get similar prices if you spend time looking around and bidding on the bay.

The route i suggest is not much more expensive than a Socket A CPU upgrade, and will give you a much larger improvement without any overclocking involved.

M

M
 
Getting terriable temps at the mo. I was running the retail heatsink and fan for ages but when the summer started to come this year the tower was in a different room and was running proper hot. So got myself a Gigabyte (GH-PDU21-MF) G-Power which is running on lowest, and at the mo the machine idles at around 50 which is really hot, with full load going up to 55-60.

Sounds good about egay! Good prices for the chips and baord. But if im only going to notice a slight diff is it going to be worth it?
 
My SKT-A Barton 2500+ Hits 59 degrees when gaming. Right now its 55 degrees with my listening to music/browsing web :eek: . This isn't with the stock cooler, this is a third party coolermaster socket A cooler lol.
 
Socket 939 will be a big difference to what you have, and have a very good upgrade path (CPU/GFx/RAM) if you buy the right equipment (as mobo i suggest). At a guess (without reviewing clock speeds etc, since i'm lazy), i'dd guess you coudl see 33-50% difference by going the path i suggest.

IMHO its well worth it. £50-60 for socket A, £85 for Socket 939...

I personally wouldnt bother with Socket A as it is a dead duck for upgrade, and overclocking can be a right pain in the t*ts (i know having had some poor efforts).

M
 
noxidjkram@hotm said:
Its possible to get these in a different socket than socket A so be careful.

It needs to be confirmed as a Socket 462 / Socket A.

M
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Is it? :confused: Which socket?
I thought all "Athlons" except A64s were Socket A - you get the Tbred-based Semprons on s754, but they're, er... "Semprons"!
Unless you're talking VERY old, but you wouldn't get the 2500+ designation on those antiques! :p
 
If noxidjkram@hotm thinks it is a much faster 'beast' then I shall look into that, and try and find a decent bargain!

And because of socket a now dying out and the chips becoming collectables i think its time to move on. Just need to get something which will allow me to upgrade.

Just prowling around for bargains may prove a pain now!
 
manveruppd said:
Is it? :confused: Which socket?
I thought all "Athlons" except A64s were Socket A - you get the Tbred-based Semprons on s754, but they're, er... "Semprons"!
Unless you're talking VERY old, but you wouldn't get the 2500+ designation on those antiques! :p
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Nah - theres some little ones they made for mobiles. Called Athlons but a different socket. Can't remember for the life of me what they are now. They do exist though, honest guvnor... ;)

[edit] Athlon XP Mobile *MICRO* PGA for laptop (instead of FPGA) - thats what they are called.

Do a search on the bay for "athlon mobile" and you'll find one for sale now, hidden at the bottom of the page - they aren't socket compatible.
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M
 
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Found it - what a strange little chip! :confused: I knew there were some special 35W XP-Ms knocking about, but I didn't know they were a different socket.
You can tell from the picture it's not socket A, but it seems to have a similar number of pins so I doubt they're that much smaller...
What REALLY puzzles me, though, is that it's got AQYHA stepping like most of the recent desktop XP-Ms...

There seem to be a lot of speed ratings I haven't seen before on auction: apart from this 1800+ above, there's also a 2000+ one, a 1600+ and even a 3000+ one - I never knew you could get XP-Ms at such a high speed, and I wonder if it would overclock even further than your average 2500/2600...

Still, some of these are going for peanuts with only a couple of hours to go and would offer a very noticeable speed boost to the OP's 2400+ even if he can only get them up to 2.2GHz - in terms of bang for the buck I think they're unbeatable!
 
Yep - but have a look at them underneath - they are a totally different form factor - and would need a special mobo - thats why they are literally "cheap as chips". :p

As for the other socket A chips, i dont think anything clocks further than a decent 2600-m iqyha. They were always the favourite...

M
 
Oh yeah, and i guess the other thing to look at would be what mobo the OP has... If he hasnt got a half decent one he'll need to buy a new one to overclock... so in that case he may as well go 939 as it'll cost pretty much the same money.

939 is the new socket A for a bargain...

M
 
manveruppd said:
OK, I'm curious now... Which of the ones on the auction site are NOT Socket A?
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Trying very hard not to break rules here...

I can't link you and shouldnt really give you info to find it so i'll post some piccies of a MicroPGA Athlon. There is defo one on there ATM.

Heres a couple of piccies - spot the pin differences... lol





So the answer to your question is - the ones that look like the above...

M
 
Yep, I noticed that, the pin setup, but only one of the auctions (the 1800+ one) had a picture of the underside of the CPU, and I thought you meant that some of the others were micros too which is why I asked you which ones you meant... Can you tell from looking at the topside of the chip?
 
I've got itchy fingers atm waiting on my Conroe board and RAM, i'm so badly in need to mess with PC components i might crack out that 3000+ Barton i got in the trays and overclock it, never used it before apart from booting it to see if it works.. wish me luck :D
 
manveruppd said:
Yep, I noticed that, the pin setup, but only one of the auctions (the 1800+ one) had a picture of the underside of the CPU, and I thought you meant that some of the others were micros too which is why I asked you which ones you meant... Can you tell from looking at the topside of the chip?
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You can only tell by the slightly different size core, and that they have a different number of those little 'things' (are they resistors or summat? *has nooo idea*). Some of them have only a couple of the little things, and do look very non-socket-a...

Gosh - don't i sound so knowledgeable... :p

So i guess without pics of the underside, or the seller stating that they are micro-pga you wouldn't be perfectly sure...

And the other problem is that most people dont post pictures of *their* CPU, they just nick photos of stock ones from somewhere...

M
 
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