Soooooo My Cat...is stuck in a tree

Nope. ;)

Ok, lets clear this up a bit from the 999 point of view.

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Thank-you for the correction. I'm going on what happened a good few years back when my ex called the local fire station - they quoted £50 but would not even think about coming out until the cat had been there over 24 hours.

The silly moo was over-reacting and sure enough we came down in the morning to a cat whinging by a licked-clean food bowl. At least the 50 quid made her stop and think rationally :)
 
if the bike owner phoned the local fire service and asked if they would cut the lock off providing the guy can prove ownership would the fire service be likely to help?

It depends. I imagine it would be quite difficult for most people to 100% prove they are the owner of said bike. I own a mountain and a road bike worth thousands of pounds and there's no real way I could actually 'prove' beyond all reasonable doubt that the bikes were mine, short of showing someone pictures of both bikes with me riding them or sat in my garden which I have on my phone there's nothing else I have which actually ties the bike to me in any shape or form. I'd say it would depend on the situation entirely. Hard one to call, really.

I was called to one incident a good few years ago now at 3.00am. Two occupiers of a flat were locked inside and could not get out. One complained he was feeling unwell and faint. We tipped up, made contact with them and put a ladder up to an open window. Two said 'occupiers' then start manhandling a flat screen telly out the window between them on the ladder. Hmmmm, not really what I was expecting to be honest. So before the second one could get out onto the ladder, we told him to hang on a minute and pulled the ladder back down whilst I got my driver to request the police attend. Funnily enough, these two were not actually the legal occupiers, nor were they the legal owners of the TV in question.

We've also had instances of people calling us to say they are locked out. If someone can't give me proof there and then that they have a right to enter the premises, are the owner/occupier etc then I'll ask if they have proof inside the premises. At the same time on the quiet I'll radio my driver to request the police attend. Usually they have some form of proof/ID inside but if they enter and then give me an excuse for not being able to find any I'll delay the appliance and stand by until the police arrive. Certain less diligent Incident Commanders have had their fingers burnt (excuse the pun) by taking at face value what an alleged occupier has said to them as far as ID goes. In fact one guy as soon as the crew had got in via a ladder on a second floor window then came downstairs to open the door, simply ran past the crew outside and slammed the door locked behind them refusing to open it again. Cops were called of course.

So the bike question - as I said, difficult one to answer. I'd take into account lots of variables in my assessment of the situation before i made any decision on snipping bike locks off. ;)
 
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It depends. I imagine it would be quite difficult for most people to 100% prove they are the owner of said bike. I own a mountain and a road bike worth thousands of pounds and there's no real way I could actually 'prove' beyond all reasonable doubt that the bikes were mine, short of showing someone pictures of both bikes with me riding them or sat in my garden which I have on my phone there's nothing else I have which actually ties the bike to me in any shape or form. I'd say it would depend on the situation entirely. Hard one to call, really.

yea I was just wondering if they would likely help in that situation

like my bike receipt has my bike serial number on it and so does my bikes manual.
I was just curious if it were the type of thing the fire brigade would help with since the police wouldn't be interested and it seems to happen quite a lot going from what I have read.

thieves really do go around putting locks on other peoples bikes so they can't move them and then come back when it#s dark and no one is around , take their own lock off , cut through or break the owners lock and take the bike.
 
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like my bike receipt has my bike serial number on it and so does my bikes manual.
I was just curious if it were the type of thing the fire brigade would help with since the police wouldn't be interested and it seems to happen quite a lot going from what I have read.

That would generally be proof enough for me. It does though depend on the individual situation but if we can assist and everything appears above board then we will. Again though, it sometimes depends on the OIC of the crew which you request assistance from. Like every other job in the country, in the fire and rescue service we have a number of 'jobsworths' who won't lift a finger to do anything if it even slightly deviates from their 'by the book' world and train of thought. Some gaffers have very little in the way of common sense although thankfully, they are in the absolute minority. Having said that and I mean no offence to guys on here who are in the police but laterly and certainly in my area, they seem to be taking the 'Nope, nothing to do with us' approach rather more frequently. In this day and age of budgets and OIC's having to justify absolutely every move they make to senior management it is unfortunately, understandable to a certain degree.
 
I thought that was only if they fell greater than 3 stories

Surely if the tree is less than 3 storeys high, the falling cat won't accelerate to terminal velocity, so it's safer for the cat?

Unless a water cannon pushes the cat up out of the tree above 3 stories and at a higher speed...

Sounds like its time for an experiment.
 
Surely if the tree is less than 3 storeys high, the falling cat won't accelerate to terminal velocity, so it's safer for the cat?

Unless a water cannon pushes the cat up out of the tree above 3 stories and at a higher speed...

Sounds like its time for an experiment.

just get a water gun! I bet the cat would soon come down it if started raining as well lol :D

unless it's one of those weird breeds that like to swim
 
yea I was just wondering if they would likely help in that situation

like my bike receipt has my bike serial number on it and so does my bikes manual.
I was just curious if it were the type of thing the fire brigade would help with since the police wouldn't be interested and it seems to happen quite a lot going from what I have read.

thieves really do go around putting locks on other peoples bikes so they can't move them and then come back when it#s dark and no one is around , take their own lock off , cut through or break the owners lock and take the bike.

That would generally be proof enough for me. It does though depend on the individual situation but if we can assist and everything appears above board then we will. Again though, it sometimes depends on the OIC of the crew which you request assistance from. Like every other job in the country, in the fire and rescue service we have a number of 'jobsworths' who won't lift a finger to do anything if it even slightly deviates from their 'by the book' world and train of thought. Some gaffers have very little in the way of common sense although thankfully, they are in the absolute minority. Having said that and I mean no offence to guys on here who are in the police but laterly and certainly in my area, they seem to be taking the 'Nope, nothing to do with us' approach rather more frequently. In this day and age of budgets and OIC's having to justify absolutely every move they make to senior management it is unfortunately, understandable to a certain degree.

Sorry going off topic here...

But would the owner of the bike not have rights to remove the bike lock? I've heard of accidents before where someone's not paid any attention when locking their own bike to a frame and accidently locking in someone elses in the process. Cutting off their lock would appear to be rather extreme and could put you in the light of attempting to steal both bikes.

However if someone has deliberately locked a bike to a frame to prevent it from being moved, then surely that would be reason enough to remove it. I know full well if i had a bike worth thousands and that happened to me, I would get an angle grinder down to cut it off.
 
Surely if the tree is less than 3 storeys high, the falling cat won't accelerate to terminal velocity, so it's safer for the cat?

Unless a water cannon pushes the cat up out of the tree above 3 stories and at a higher speed...

Sounds like its time for an experiment.

it's because thw cat stretches out, in under 3 stories it's not had time to so it's TV is higher. dunno if it would reach it in that time though.
 
Think about it. Throughout human history there has been virtually zero reports of mummified corpses of cats being found dead of starvation among the branches of old trees or their stiff bodies randomly falling off from said branches onto unsuspecting pedestrians below.

And considering nature of cats, their unstoppable urge of climbing and amount of trees per typical urban environment in Britain, one would imagine, that by now we would have observed this phenomena enough times to amass enough data confirm that inability to disembark municipal greenery poses lethal problem for feline species.

But in an absence of such data or recorded experiences one must simply conclude that given enough time spent in a tree statistical Mr.Whiskers at some point must simply cat up (as in - man up) and attempt, mostly successfully, to proceed in downwards direction.
 
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