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yellowputty

yellowputty

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Me and AMD CPU's have been good friends since my trusty Barton 3200+. We've had many good times together, with quality performance for the money. When I felt the need for a new computer, I just assumed that I would be purchasing the latest AMD chip. I've spent the last week trying to justify the 8150 because I can genuinely use all 8 cores with parts of my code.

But it's just the principle of it. I cannot bring myself to buy such a poor performing processor. How do AMD expect people to buy a processor that is not only exceeded by the majority of Intel CPUs, but even it's own predecessor AND for similar money? What's made it a hard choice though is the sheer amount of subjective fanboy crud I've had to wade through (from both parties) and misinformed offhand comments (I should add, NOT from this forum ;)). At the end of the day though, numbers don't lie.

Sooo...I bought an i5 3570k! Honestly couldn't understand the tiny price difference between the 8150 and the 3570k for the performance gain.

Thanks to everyone for the help (that is anyone who has ever posted about such issues on this forum).

I feel like I should ask a question now:

Given the CPU will be on full load most of the time, how far can I overclock it on the stock cooler? What would this increase to on an air cooler of your choice?
 
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I wouldn't say the 8150 is a poor performing processor, also the 8150 is a bad choice for its price compared to the 8120 it is a much better chip for the money. If you genuinely use all 8 cores all of the time the 8120 would have been the best choice for only £110.

As for your question 4.2-4.4 should be doable with the stock cooler, this would increase upto 4.6-4.8 on air.
 
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8150 isn't bad its just not as good as a £20 more intel chip, £10 cheaper intel chip, The previous version AMD chip and probably the dog poo in my garden.

Ok so yeh its bad. For the price it is its not worth it. if it was priced under £100 then it "could" be good until then I5 2500K / 3570K all the way.

(i run an AMD Phenom so am not an intel Fanboy but would never reccommend any 1 to buy a new AMD CPU yet)
 
After moving from a 1090T at 4Ghz to a 2700K at stock i'll never go back to AMD. Everything was just so much quicker and smoother with the stock Intel as opposed to the overclocked AMD that it was unreal.
 
Its AMD that should be apologizing. They went a bit left field and it didn't work out, its a shame for everyone really. Less competition wont help us in the long run.
 
I myself have to accept that at heart I am an AMD fanboy.

My main PC is Intel though... It has to be. And its not even a top end on either... Its an I7 Socket 1156

My Main PC in the LAN room is the 1050T hex core and the Phenom 955 is my Linux PC and both of these are monsterously quick and bopth are my latest builds, but only cos I knocked them up for cheap.

Going for new, I would like to say that I would splash out on the best AMD that I can afford, but then lets be honest... I think that for the money, an Intel would be a better option.
 
To be fair I went with an i7 because I had a phenomII x4 and really didn't understand the various revisions of motherboard and socket that amd were putting out as it was changing every other month eg what processors will go in my am2+ board which seems to only be + on the latest bios release etc. Went the easy route and sold it all and saw 'socket 1366' ok that sounds simple choose a 1366 i7 and sorted. Again with 2011 choose a 2011 cpu and sorted. I shouldn't need to check the compatibility list every time I want a cpu.

Just remembered intel did the same thing with 1155 with motherboards so you know what they're as bad as each other for confusing the public.
 
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u should keep use 8150 until pliedriver releas due by q3 2012 that would be good cpu, i used fx 6200 seem good run and wait for piledriver to come up, i never move to intel cos i used intel years ago and it not very good and dumped and moved to amd... just hold on for few months when new cpu is release...
 
braveheart said:
u should keep use 8150 until pliedriver releas due by q3 2012 that would be good cpu, i used fx 6200 seem good run and wait for piledriver to come up, i never move to intel cos i used intel years ago and it not very good and dumped and moved to amd... just hold on for few months when new cpu is release...
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lol. yeah thatll be release Q3 2012... and Haswell gets released Q2 2013... Unless piledriver is a serious stepup in performance (we can but pray) else... if Piledriver is another Bulldozer... then Haswell will blow it out of the water.
 
I agree... With my AMDs I went for a DS3 and a 9550 purely because I love my DS Intel Boards ( I have 5 different DS3 boards even today ) and I also have a 9550 Intel too, so I swapped a DS3 and a Q6600 for the AMD just so I can say that I have a DS3and 9550 Both intel and AMD

The Mobo is an AM2+ Board and so thats allowed me the path to the AM3 CPU and thats the 955... However, when I tried a Hex core, even though the BIOS clearlt does support it, it saw it as a dual core, and anyway, the RAM is DDR2 and so I decided to go for another Mobo and take the DDR3 path.

There is more to it that that for sure, but hey, the Intel has been just as nasty to me.

And its changing faster than my brain can cope with... I finally got an I7 and its a 1156 socket , and then I got a new Mobo for it but that turned out to be a 1366 but WTF? I never knew that there was another socket so I had a look and blow me there is also a 2011 too?

For the same CPUs?

At least AMD didnt do that!

Hell, Intel are even resurrecting the old Pentium Zombies yet again for their Mobos.
 
Surprised you didn't change earlier, Intel have been better all round since the Core 2 Duo in my opinion. The stock cooler is ok but it will get toasty with an OC. Do you want/need to OC? I have my i5 sat with turbo mode on which is fine really.
 
braveheart said:
u should keep use 8150 until pliedriver releas due by q3 2012 that would be good cpu, i used fx 6200 seem good run and wait for piledriver to come up, i never move to intel cos i used intel years ago and it not very good and dumped and moved to amd... just hold on for few months when new cpu is release...
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That's some sound advice right there.


EDIT : Obviously, it's sarcasm, OP hadn't bought an 8150, so buying an 8150 to hold onto it till Q3 for the unknown quantity to become known would be bad advice.
Intel not being very good though? That's a nice opinion with no factual evidence.
 
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Thanks for the replies, and the heatsink information. There's not much point me not overclocking the 3570k, so I bought the CM 212 for some light OCing for now. I have to admit I was hoping to get to 4.5. I was tempted by the Phanteks because of the noticeable temperature decrease under load, but it's an extra £40 for something I might not need atm.

Not surprised to hear I'm not the only one confused by the choice, and very funny reading some of the comments about socket number. I agree, I have to hand that one to AMD - I could still fit the Bulldozer on my motherboard which is now years old.

And as many others have mentioned before, I do hope AMD comes back to form soon because it benefits all of us - no one wants a monopoly.

I do wonder though, will we be forever limited by Intel and AMD? Will another company join the processing game soon?
 
A Monopoly would be terrible for us

Right now however, I feel that we are almost there.

That said, last night I was looking at my AMD and I7 babies and one thing I did realise...

The AMD is not only cooler but running at a fraction of the volts and therefore, costs of the Intel.

Third company?

Well, for a while, we had Cyrix / VIA

They were a low-cost alternative.

I remember me and a mate ( InsanCen ) when I had the Cyrix 333 and he had the 200MMX - His 200Mhz Intel was faster than my 333, but my 333 was in fact only 262Mhz and its FPU was kind of pretend hardware while his was real... sort of?

I loved it however... It was a rock solid setup.

Will a third one make an appearance?
To be honest, if it does, then AMD had better do something big because it simply wont survive... Even with ATI
 
It's a shame that AMD punching as high as they used to.

If I'm building a pc for someone in the family I'll typically buy a motherboard that has the same socket as my board. This makes it easier to diagnose problems and test parts if I need to switch them over.

I used to buy AMD only, back in the Socket A days. Socket 939 was the last AMD I bought.

Love the look of the AMD offerings, but I can't help but feel I'd regret it if I needed to buy a second board/cpu for testing if something went wrong. For this reason, it's a shame that Intel/AMD don't work together to make a standard socket. Would be great if you could swap out motherboard chips for..

Chipset
Sound
LAN
Graphics
CPU
 
BaDBoY_uK said:
+1. That CPU range knocked the socks off AMD
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Tell me about it... I had only just splashed out on a new Opteron CPU and I got it for the bargain price of £300 ( for the time ) and a mate was talking about the Allendale 6300, and so I thought I would knock up a cheap one just to shut him up. Cost me about a ton for Mobo, CPU and RAM and it was pretty much double the speed of my overclocked Opteron.

Ruined me.

bledd. said:
I used to buy AMD only, back in the Socket A days. Socket 939 was the last AMD I bought.
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Same, I have skipped AMD since the Core2Duo came out and only recently I have got back in, but only in a Second hand capacity.
For Second hand, I am very impressed and I am overall very happy with them.

bledd. said:
Would be great if you could swap out motherboard chips for..
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You can already do that though... With the slots already in there?

There is nothing to say that they cannot do something like that however, but its the rest of the components around the board that make up the whole, its not just the chip on its own is it?

So, for an ATI for example, they need these resistors and those capacitors etc etc, but nVidia, Intel etc require other components and not the ones for ATI.

So, would it be a viable option?
 
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