How do you know that? Parents with the best of intentions can still have kids who get in with the wrong people or do bad things despite the parents' best efforts. You cannot automatically put the blame on parents for what their kids do.
Sorry, but my thoughts are NOT with their families!
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How do you know that? Parents with the best of intentions can still have kids who get in with the wrong people or do bad things despite the parents' best efforts. You cannot automatically put the blame on parents for what their kids do.
This is true, some parents try their best but just give up because their kids are completely destroyed by the negative influences of their peers. I've seen it happen plenty of times. Any attempt to instill some discipline ends up with social services or the police being involved, even when there is no physical punishment involved.
The parents don't deserve to lose a child, but at the end of the day, their kids got what was coming to them. *shrug*
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you really really can. Frankly, kids are brought up with certain beliefs, well brought up people that think theiving is wrong won't be pressured into becoming thieves simply by hanging out with bad people. I've met people and been friends with bad people, but if they choose to do something wrong I wouldn't join in because of who I am. Depending on what they were doing, if I found out they were involved in something really bad, I simply wouldn't be friends with them.
Sorry but, the parents are to blame for bringing up crappy kids. Generally people ignore the idea that people can be to blame for having bad kids because then if their kids do something bad they would be responsible, so claiming its not parents to blame gives themselves cover to some extent.
Now parents aren't actually responsible for the individual acts that other people commit, no one is responsible for other peoples acts(beyond kidnapping someones kid and saying go rob a bank or we'll kill them type situation). But they are responsible for bringing up kids capable of these kinds of things.
I'm not 100% sure, its never happened, but I'm physically capable of taking a life in self defence, or defending others, however I'm simply not capable of commiting a crime that hurts or endangers other people for a laugh, or for fun or personal gain. I simply couldn't bring myself to mug someone, or steal a car, I believe its basically completely wrong and would never do it. What people believe is what they are taught or learn to believe. Parents are very very responsible for that and if other people are teaching them bad things its their job to teach them the right thing to do. if you didn't, you failed.
You are wrong, and I know you are wrong because my sibling turned out differently from me.
I've already mentioned it in the thread but to back up dirtydog's point I personally know people from good families who have gone off the rails for a while be it stealing cars, taking drugs or whatever. Everyone is different, you can't automatically blame the family.
Oh, and pretty much all of them grew out of that stage but a lot of people here would have been happy to see them die it seems.
Oh, and pretty much all of them grew out of that stage but a lot of people here would have been happy to see them die it seems.
agreed 100%, you make a choice every day of your life, do you turn on the light, do you not.... It's having the strength of character to stand up for the more important choices, and stand by decisions.
I work in a school at moment and heard a funny thing not too long back, social services asked us why some kids were going off the rails, and found it hard to understand the answer when we said that we only had the kids from 830am-330pm and there was a lot more to a child's day than lessons....
Parents and out of school groups like Army/Sea/Air Cadets or Scouts/Cubs etc are a big part of the kid's upbringing and should instill morals and what is right/wrong, if that's not happenning, then the kids are gonna come out on wrong side of the line.
Agreed, everyone is physically capable of taking someone's life, some are emotionally capable of living with it afterwards.... I believe that most "sane and rational" people could live with it, with the right justification, Could you kill a guy who was set to blow up a plane? Or would you hesitate?
Your kids are individuals with their own thoughts. You can do your best to influence them but at the end of the day, they are unique people and you cannot control them or their actions unless you keep them locked up 24/7.
My thoughts neither go out to the dead nor to the families of the dead, cold as it sounds I genuinely feel no sorrow or symapthy for either.
If you are honest, does anyone feel genuine heartfelt symapthy for the families of those involved or is it just an easy thing to type?
You cannot argue nature vs nurture because it's obvious to anyone with half a brain that both factors will influence a child's developing personality, neither will totally program a child because there is a degree of independant/individual thought involved as well.
If you are honest, does anyone feel genuine heartfelt symapthy for the families of those involved or is it just an easy thing to type?
You cannot argue nature vs nurture because it's obvious to anyone with half a brain that both factors will influence a child's developing personality, neither will totally program a child because there is a degree of independant/individual thought involved as well.
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serves them right for stealing someones hard earned property, these scum bags got whats coming, hopefully it will be a lesson to other car thieves. If someone broke into my house to steal my keys and took my car, I would hope they crashed it and burst into flames, now thats a deterrent
Meh, it's just differing points of view on right and wrong. You're not necessarily better than these people because they stole a car, their parents arent idiots just because they stole a car.
You've also touched on the very delicate issue too, do people learn what is right or wrong, is it part of being human? Is there right and wrong?
And after all they're only physical possessions.
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Its not really about whether I feel sympathy. I lack empathy for most people in the news; they're people I don't know and whatever the story it is irrelevant.
However, I don't judge. I don't make a thread in a forum stating exactly how much I genuinely don't care. Not because I don't wish to offend people; I wouldn't create a thread trying to create sympathy for a murder victim either.
I just find it bemusing how people on here label certain types as scum. I really don't understand that. The media demonises people enough without everyone generating some us or them mentality towards chavs.
I can make up my own mind (even if those opinions are unpopular) on stuff like this. Its easier for people on here (in this case) to post saying they don't care, because they know the OcUK massive will back them up.
But like I said, I'm not crying over the deaths of these people, because I didn't know them, but I don't sit on an internet forum getting a kick out of the fact that they are dead.
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I'm guessing that post wasn't aimed entirely at me?
No, my post was definitely not aimed At you in any way. Just talking about the general feeling of hatred towards the car theives.
I agree with this statement 100%
This is basically how I feel about any news story. I don't even get particularly angry when someone like Mugabe is in the news anymore, its something I can't affect so why get so uptight about it?
My point is that these type of threads are pointless. We already know what the majority of posts will be like and I find people on here so hypocritical. I don't understand how people can judge is all. I really don't.
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Doesn't matter where you go on the internet, there's always threads like this. But I agree with what you're saying. And it's inevitably the same people who make the same types of threads. "Hurf durf, this makes me angry, derpa durf!" or "This XYZ, did ABC to 123! He should be OTT!" and the best one then is "Johnny Foreign is XYZ and did ABC to 123, which is just OTT and completely barbaric, how can we let people do this sort of thing!".
So if someone steals a car, they should automatically be sentenced with those crimes?
Yeah, way to fail on that
Using the same logic, I will now attempt another:
If you have ever lit a match, you have most likely done, possibly including:
Home made molotov's, Set fire to a granny, Burn a building down, Crash planes into the twin towers and suicide bombing.