sorry if already posted, but US Dec sales estimates.

THe 360 was out first yes, but that was to do with blu-ray diode issues, not the cell. I agree Sony were stupid to not protect their research, as is said, they should have used their brains and sorted some form of agreement out with IBM that said they wouldn't share their research findings until the cell was finished or something along those lines (IBM were using cell research before it was even finished to aid in the development of the CPU in the 360). I'm not saying it was at all unfair as it was down to Sony to write the contracts on the deal, doesn't stop it from being a little cheeky tho :D

On the front that blu-ray isn't cared about by enough people, you're right it isn't yet but it will be. I know people who kept VHS players for years before they forked out for a DVD player but they were forced to eventually by the phasing out of VHS. In 5 years time i would be willing to bet the majority (if not all) disks on the shelves of major entertainment retailers will be blu-rays. Blu-ray is worth far more than the PS3 is to Sony (assuming the PS3 does well enough to continue the Playstation brand, which it has), hence why they've prioritised getting the new format in peoples homes over manufacturing an affordable console. Eventually everyone will look at low definition televisions the same way they look at VHS players now, along with those HDTVs will come a HD media; blu-ray.
 
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As logical as most of the posts have been so far, at this stage their are far to many if, buts and maybe's. The most notable one's are the life span of each console and whether Blu-ray will be the next DVD?

It's far to early imo to start reading the future, and trying to guess what either manufacturer is planning to do over the next few years.

As much as I personallly feel that Sony should drop the price of the PS3, I honestly don't believe they haven't due to the manufacturing costs. (which are now reported to be $449 per unit).
 
As much as I personallly feel that Sony should drop the price of the PS3, I honestly don't believe they haven't due to the manufacturing costs. (which are now reported to be $449 per unit).

I would be willing to bet they're waiting just to rinse those last few kiddies who got loads of cash for christmas to buy themselves one, then they'll drop the price late next month.
 
uk sales show 360 to be outselling PS3 and Sony is likely to announce an annual operating loss of around USD 1.1 billion, the company's first loss in 14 years, due weak sales and the impact of a stronger yen.

The electronics giant had previously estimated a USD 2.2 billion profit but the global economic downturn dampening consumer spending on high priced products has hit Sony hard.


source:-

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/console-installed-base-reaches-22m-in-uk

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/sony-to-suffer-USD1-1-billion-loss-report
 
uk sales show 360 to be outselling PS3 and Sony is likely to announce an annual operating loss of around USD 1.1 billion, the company's first loss in 14 years, due weak sales and the impact of a stronger yen.

The electronics giant had previously estimated a USD 2.2 billion profit but the global economic downturn dampening consumer spending on high priced products has hit Sony hard.


source:-

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/console-installed-base-reaches-22m-in-uk

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/sony-to-suffer-USD1-1-billion-loss-report

That is based on a lot of ifs and buts dependant on inventory, strength of the yen etc etc. Bad news about big companies, see Toyota, Panasonic and various other "huge" companies make sales/hits on web sites. Not saying it wont but no one knows until end of march what has happened. Last week there was strong reports that MS was to get rid 17000 people as they have not had a great year, but nothing has happened.
Like i said before Sony predicted sales of 10 million PS3 by end of FY (March) This is a target they are almost cetain to hit, it makes no difference what various rags have said, as a company you aim to reach targets first, if thats what they have done then its job done for the year. Does Sony need to sell 150 million PS3s to be a sucess? Or do they have to do what they have set out at the end of the FY ? Sure when it starts to make profit on manufacture they would love it to sell in huge numbers, but when its possibly making a loss the money selling 100 million consoles could lead to a bigger issue.
 
Dam you caught my edit :-P, I was still not sure on that point, it kind of just spewed out of me then decided to edited it out :o, but anyway, yes I agree with what you've said, in-fact I've said similar on these boards, but I was mainly talking about the success of the PS3 platform in it's own right, not Sony, I realize as a business decision in the long term Blu-Ray will no doubt be a very profitable media for them, but the PS3 as a gaming platform will have suffered becuase of it.

I don't see how the gaming platform has suffered in any way?

Also these dec figures mean nothing to us consumers.
 
I don't see how the gaming platform has suffered in any way?

Price mainly, if the PS3 cost the same as the 360 i would wager sales would be far more positive. On top of that as blu-ray is a new technology, read speads are lower than that of DVD, this has resulted in developers having to use workarounds (harddrive installs) and sometimes causes longer loading times.
 
CELL processor being the 2 cost issues in a PS3 I'd guess?)

The cell should be no more expensive to produce than the 360's chip for raw materials (Fixed costs are irrelevant at this stage) unless the fault rate is higher.

I had skimmed over the "US" part in the title, makes much more sense now.
 
Price mainly, if the PS3 cost the same as the 360 i would wager sales would be far more positive. On top of that as blu-ray is a new technology, read speads are lower than that of DVD, this has resulted in developers having to use workarounds (harddrive installs) and sometimes causes longer loading times.

didn't know about the loading times but had some recent problems regarding HD installs :p (ie full HD)
 
I don't see how the gaming platform has suffered in any way?

Also these dec figures mean nothing to us consumers.

those US figures show that PS3 has sold less in both November/December (the biggest selling months of the year) than it did the year before. it effects consumers if softco's start to think that they should move games away from PS3 due to falling hardware sales.
 
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