Sort out photo and video forum: Ideas

If people feel the canikon fanboyism and bashing is more of an issue, then RTM it more.

I do agree though, that spec me threads each time is probably needed.

However, for tech threads, would it be easier to have a 'canon gear discussion thread' 'Nikon gear discussion thread' 'sigma gear discussion thread' etc...

It might cut down on the number of gear threads?

kd
 
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Jokester said:
I don't remember seeing any RTMs from you.
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I didn't think its my job to moderate, and if I point it out now are you going to suspend those people even though it happened 2 years ago?

An Exception said:
Or your support for Canon. Focus on the art.
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Lol, I do try to focus on the art, I have never ever looked at DXO, and in fact, I had no idea what it was until you keep bring it up lol That's how much i don't care. I didn't know DR stand for dynamic range (I know what it is) but I never paid attention to it. I've given up now whenever you and D.P. going about technical stuff, it's a snooze fest and it doesn't improve my photography. I rather talk about techniques and philosophy personally.

My support for Canon lol says the one who tell people to go try cameras in their hand, see which ones that feels best in the hand, but get the Nikon anyway :D lol The previous comment about Nikon and that guy on TP wasn't a dig at you, it was merely a comparison of how dull TP can be too.
 
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I agree with 1 and 3, but having just one thread for each brand of gear creates just as many problems as photo dumps, a massive thread where some voices asking for advice go unheard. This forum is far too dead for the small number of spec me threads to be problematic. Having a subform for equipment or whatever makes no sense because there are only a few threads a day in the photography forum as it is. We don't want loads of dead forums like we do in the hardware section, with optical storage and writing being dead for example.
 
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I think the problem is that there just isn't a point in making threads that can genuinely help people and get a nice discussion going on as they just get lambasted by the select few time and time again with boring, nonsensical rubbish. I've tried this personally on these forums and the thread was closed within hours as it went massively off topic and turned more into a ******* contest than sharing knowledge for people who genuinely want to learn techniques and how to get the best out of their gear. The sad thing is, I don't see other people trying the same idea either, instead people just seem to moan about how bad things are, yet don't try and spark a discussion and talk about techniques etc themselves.

Rojins attempt at making individual threads for a few genres of photography has been met with some success, but a sense of failure due to the lack of critique. There are some members in the threads talking about techniques and when/how to do things, namely the landscape thread, yet the others seem to be clones of the "post your pictures here" thread.

What I'm trying to say is that if people want more discussion and a friendlier forum with more members, they need to get off their **** and start making threads that promote such things, instead of more and more moaning threads and fractions of a percent style statistical analysis of gear, which means nothing in the real world.
 
James J said:
I think the problem is that there just isn't a point in making threads that can genuinely help people and get a nice discussion going on as they just get lambasted by the select few time and time again with boring, nonsensical rubbish. I've tried this personally on these forums and the thread was closed within hours as it went massively off topic and turned more into a ******* contest than sharing knowledge for people who genuinely want to learn techniques and how to get the best out of their gear. The sad thing is, I don't see other people trying the same idea either, instead people just seem to moan about how bad things are, yet don't try and spark a discussion and talk about techniques etc themselves.

Rojins attempt at making individual threads for a few genres of photography has been met with some success, but a sense of failure due to the lack of critique. There are some members in the threads talking about techniques and when/how to do things, namely the landscape thread, yet the others seem to be clones of the "post your pictures here" thread.

What I'm trying to say is that if people want more discussion and a friendlier forum with more members, they need to get off their **** and start making threads that promote such things, instead of more and more moaning threads and fractions of a percent style statistical analysis of gear, which means nothing in the real world.
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Agree so much with much of this.

To be fair, when An Exception creates threads on his weddings, he gets reasonable C&C as an individual thread.

I also, somewhere have a thread for when I started off somewhere, and got a reasonable amount of C&C.

If you want C&C create your own thread, if you just want to share a nice image, but dont care about c&c stick it in a thread.

kd
 
Raymond Lin said:
Lol, I do try to focus on the art, I have never ever looked at DXO, and in fact, I had no idea what it was until you keep bring it up lol That's how much i don't care. I didn't know DR stand for dynamic range (I know what it is) but I never paid attention to it. I've given up now whenever you and D.P. going about technical stuff, it's a snooze fest and it doesn't improve my photography. I rather talk about techniques and philosophy personally.

My support for Canon lol says the one who tell people to go try cameras in their hand, see which ones that feels best in the hand, but get the Nikon anyway :D lol The previous comment about Nikon and that guy on TP wasn't a dig at you, it was merely a comparison of how dull TP can be too.
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The devil is in the detail. For me that's all detail, not just what I find interesting. That will make you a better photographer.
 
An Exception said:
The devil is in the detail. For me that's all detail, not just what I find interesting. That will make you a better photographer.
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My idea of "detail" is detail in the scene, detail in what people do, not the DXO scores it got.

Try to tell the story, everything else will follow.

That is my philosophy.
 
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Raymond Lin said:
My idea of "detail" is detail in the scene, detail in what people do, not the DXO scores it got.

Try to tell the story, everything else will follow.

That is my philosophy.
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Well I guess now you got to briefly talk about philosophy.
My idea of detail isn't selective, everything affects everything, just some things have more weight.

I'll leave it here as not to go further OT.
 
An Exception said:
Well I guess now you got to briefly talk about philosophy.
My idea of detail isn't selective, everything affects everything, just some things have more weight.

I'll leave it here as not to go further OT.
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To illustrates the point, I am tempted to do this...

http://www.theblogisfound.com/index.cfm?postID=695

one lens. one focal length. one camera. all horizontal. all manual focus. all F11. all day.

(not at a wedding, but personal stuff)

Everything goes out the window, it's all about the art after that.

But back to topic, lets.
 
This thread is already degenerating into a bit of a petty ***-for-tat, which is one of the main problems. Please take it elsewhere.

I don't care for the mega threads, it has to be said. In fact, the very first reply in the original one was me saying his images were great and well worthy of their own showing. These threads have many issues, as I see it. Without going into them, you don't know if anyone's posted any images. If someone posts an "I've been to the seaside" thread, it's obvious there's going to be some images. On entering a mega thread, you're constantly finding that the only new posts are petty gear talk or comments about images on the last page. Further, as people move webhosting or delete things from flickr accounts (etc), then half of the images disappear ... for point and case, just flick through the first few pages of the 'Post your pics' thread.

If people don't actually start making their own threads, then deleting these won't help. However, if they're not gone, there's no hope of improvement.

The gear talk doesn't particularly need segregating into mega threads either (see where I'm going with the mega threads?). People will always post their own anyway. We've always had gear threads and spec me threads, which in themselves aren't an issue. The only problem is when there isn't enough other stuff posted to buffer them slightly! Equally, a gear subforum isn't necessary, as it would serve to only further decrease the number of posts in this forum.

I'm not greatly fussed about the watermarks / promotions either way, as long as it's applied universally. I don't think this is one of the killers per se. For a long time, P&V didn't have mods that were actually actively involved in the forum accept for simply existing for moderation. Sorry guys, but I believe this is still the case a little (in all time ... 26 posts and an amazing ... 1), and it doesn't help the life blood.

I quite like the idea of [critique] (etc) tags, though I'm not sure how many we'd actually see.
 
I think we'd see more individual ones if the mega threads died simply because at the moment it's almost seen as arrogant to post images in their own thread.
 
As I have said before, I don't even look at the mega threads anymore. When I started missing images and lost the will to keep loading up hundreds of images to catch up I gave up. Probably lot's of other people did the same and it killed the forum sub section.

I think the Gear willy waving thread works for what it is, a place to ask questions on gear and show it off.
 
Having briefly talked about this discussion in chat I finally have gotten round to checking it out in full and actually I can see where all sides are coming from.

The PYP thread was very good, still is good but it is missing some of the taste that it once had because back then people were also posting their own picture threads and everything was being discussed until it was time to move on to the next topic.

At the moment we're all just posting pictures and here and there posting comments to other pictures. On another board there is a photo section for posting pics and discussion only and a dedicated one for critique for those looking for valuable critique.

The current pictures thread is mixed with both and people looking for critique may often find their images get lost because of how fast replies with more pictures get posted or just not noticed altogether anyway.


Rojin said:
I miss TBL the most... :o :D
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Critique didn't even help there though, it just sort of seemed to go in one ear and out the other :D
 
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