Spanish Grand Prix 2012, Catalunya - Race 5/20

dannyjo22 said:
I agree, but then for me the magic of that team in the 2000's was the engineers not the drivers. They were miles ahead of the field in electronics.
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Ok, I agree with that.
But, do you think Ferrari would have been able to attract the talent to Ferrari (ie. Rory Byrne and Ross Brawn, amongst others), had MSc not been in the team?

When MSc went to Ferrari, he knew that funds were close to unlimited and that no expense would be spared to make Ferrari great. Ferrari had not won the title for 18 or so years.

In 1996, when Bennetton were the team to beat, MSc made the decision to leave the best car/team and join Ferrari.

Imagine if Vettel, today, decided to move to Williams, on the promise that they secure big funding. Everybody would tell him that he is killing his career. Then in 3 years, he starts a winning run of 5 titles in a row. Would you not think that Vettel was unbelievably great? That's basically what MSc did.

MSc moved to lowly Ferrari, at a time, when all the best drivers wanted only to move to a team with the best car. There was no loyalty at this time. Senna had been pleading with Williams to let him join since 1992. He begged to leave McLaren. Mansell only wanted to drive for Williams in 1993. He couldn't secure a contract, so he left for Indycar. Prost drove for Williams as they had the best car.

In my time, I have never seen a driver move to a lowly team (from the best team) and then make them great.
 
sunama said:
But, do you think Ferrari would have been able to attract the talent to Ferrari (ie. Rory Byrne and Ross Brawn, amongst others), had MSc not been in the team?.
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Who signed first? I personally think Brawn and Byrne would have gone to ferrari anyway, more money and a far better job. I guess we will never know.

Newey went to Red Bull after all so it's no beyond imagining that money and better working environment would have got them anyway?

sunama said:
In 1996, when Bennetton were the team to beat, MSc made the decision to leave the best car/team and join Ferrari..
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Williams were the team to beat, unfortunately they had Damon in 95 :D

He moved from the 2nd best team at the time to the 3rd, yeah they won the title but due to Damons complete numptyness :D

sunama said:
Imagine if Vettel, today, decided to move to Williams, on the promise that they secure big funding. Everybody would tell him that he is killing his career..
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They wouldn't if they also secured the best engineering talent on the grid at that time. If half the red bull genius moved with him to a team with near unlimited funding and testing, not many would think it was madness. Besides Williams are not the 3rd best constructor last year. The equivalent would be him moving to, shock horror Ferrari.

So you would think after winning last years title moving to ferrari (ignoring alonso) with unlimited testing, funding and taking Newey and co would be career suicide?

I thought not.

sunama said:
In my time, I have never seen a driver move to a lowly team (from the best team) and then make them great.
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Jenson Button moved to Honda and made them great ;)
He then turned Mclaren back into contenders ;);)

You could argue Alonso did the same at Benetton to a greater extent than MS did at Ferrari with the difference in funds etc.
 
arknor said:
what does that matter if it was within the rules? if mclaren did it the haters would claim its innovation?
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it don't matter, FIA sorted it out by making a new rule and MS still thrashed them anyway, just saying how people like to seek excuses for why MS was too good for everyone, and despite the FIA changing so much he just kept on winning :)
 
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