Spanish Grand Prix 2014, Catalunya - Race 5/19

[utajoker]

Just caught up on quali. Hamilton yet again putting the lap in when it matters. P1 only matters in q3.

A massive psychological blow to Rosberg. Not happy with the car and he is sill faster.


What's the pole records for most in a season and most back to back?


Also mclaren hitting the dizzy heights of...8th.

 

[this_is_gav]

What's the pole records for most in a season and most back to back?

Senna got 8 in a row.

Vettel got 15 in a season.

Mansell holds the record for best pole-event ratio (88% of races).

 

[deuse]

http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/0/formula1/27356126

Hamilton's pole lap. He was lucky to get pole.

 

[Mr Jack]

I didn't see it. What happened to Magnussen in Q2?

 

[Housey]

I'm watching the historic GP qualifying session from Monaco on Motors TV and it shows everything that is wrong with modern F1. Watching Mike Lyons and Sam Hancock who can both pedal fighting for pole with backs sliding around in drift, noise of a Cossy and lots of sliding around, so much more fun to watch.

 

[Twirlywoos]

Just caught up on quali. Hamilton yet again putting the lap in when it matters. P1 only matters in q3.

A massive psychological blow to Rosberg. Not happy with the car and he is sill faster.


What's the pole records for most in a season and most back to back?


Also mclaren hitting the dizzy heights of...8th.

After watching the snooker finals last week and listening to their piece on sports psychology I think that NR needs to get a private shrink. It's definitely affecting him seeing Hamilton trump him time and time again. Not that I mind, I like Lewis

 

[Shimmy]

5 place grid penalty confirmed for Vettel, changing gear box.

Will start 15th.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

I think where Alonso sits in the championship is a testament to just how good he is. The Ferrari is an absolute dog, just looking at the drivers fighting the car on the cams makes me cringe.

Sounds like their major updates weren't ready for this race though, maybe they can improve.

To be 2 seconds off the pace is a disaster, in the last few seasons the Ferrari was about .05s-1s off the pace that has nearly doubled today.

All that money and it's going down the washer by the looks of it, i see changes every year to the backroom team with Pat Fry and James Allison now.

Ross Brawn was at Maranello this week so maybe if he comes back he could sort out the mess.

One thing is for sure it's not good enough from them and something has to change, i know Stefano got the sack recently so thats a change.

 

[MrKnifey]

I think the best thing for McLaren is to get Alonso back over there for next year. Replace Button, get the car where it needs to be and then after a year or two Magnesum can come into his own.

 

[mmj_uk]

Vettel will fight his way to 5th and be lauded as a great overtaker/racer (even though he has easily the 2nd best car on the grid), rather than people wondering why he can't beat Ricciardo.

Good job Red Bull PR.

 

[Skeeter]

Where's Sam Bird racing this year? Does he still have ties to Mercedes?

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

Vettel will fight his way to 5th and be lauded as a great overtaker/racer (even though he has easily the 2nd best car on the grid), rather than people wondering why he can't beat Ricciardo.

Good job Red Bull PR.

Haha, "Martin did you see those over takes from the AMAZING SEBASTIAN FETTEL?" "I sure did Crofty what a masterclass of overtaking from the reigning 4 times world champion"

Having the best car for 4 years on the trot with an over the hill team mate made him look a lot better than he is. He was voted as no.3 in all time greatest drivers by the BBC i think and i just facepalmed when i seen that.

Not even close to being in the Shumi and Senna bracket it u ask me, we haven't seen enough of him in a normal car to judge it.

 

[Skeeter]

Haha, "Marting did you see those over takes from the AMAZING SEBASTIAN FETTEL?" "I sure did Crofty what a masterclass of overtaking from the reigning 4 times world champion"

Having the best car for 4 years on the trot with an over the hill team mate made him look a lot better than he is. He was voted as no.3 in all time greatest drivers by the BBC i think and i just facepalmed when i seen that.

Not even close to being in the Shumi and Senna bracket it u ask me, we haven't seen enough of him in a normal car to judge it.

2009, 2010 and 2012 say hi!

People seem all to keen to forget that he has only had a dominant car for 1 and a half seasons out of the 5 he has been competitive at RBR. Its a bit of a shame that he will be remembered due to a piece of Newey magic and a stroke of luck with tyres.

 

[Crippled Potato]

5 place grid penalty confirmed for Vettel, changing gear box.

Will start 15th.

Tough luck

 

[drunkenmaster]

2009, 2010 and 2012 say hi!

People seem all to keen to forget that he has only had a dominant car for 1 and a half seasons out of the 5 he has been competitive at RBR. Its a bit of a shame that he will be remembered due to a piece of Newey magic and a stroke of luck with tyres.

I do like that people like to think he only had a dominant car for a short period. He had THE best car EVERY season full stop. Every track is different, sometimes they had a 0.1second advantage, sometimes a 1.5second advantage. The car was superior but on certain tracks it wasn't quite as brilliant, that doesn't mean it was a poor car by any stretch. Averaged out over the year he had the best car in the last 4 years.

That doesn't mean he would win every single race, nor that it couldn't be close. Not every team is perfect, they've had failures, tactical mistakes their other driver smash in to Vettel and Vettel has hit Webber, Vettel hit other people.

What you mean to say in 1 or 2 seasons they've been painfully dominant in the title race. Great car doesn't always equal points return, ask Hamilton for all the team screw ups or Massa/Maldonado/Webber hits that have screwed him out of points time and time again. Close or close-ish title doesn't mean they didn't have the dominant car.

At no stage in the past four years has there been a season in which the Red Bull wasn't the best car. The advantage Red Bull had at a majority of races each year was unmatched by anyone else. The Mclaren was good for a half season here on certain tracks, and the Ferrari a half season there at certain tracks. But over what 16-19 races of the season the Red Bull has easily had the best car at over half the races and exceptionally close to the best car at the remaining races.

 

[Danthus]

As I said at the start of the season, you are going to find out how good Vettel is this year.

 

[Leeroy Jenkins]

2009, 2010 and 2012 say hi!

People seem all to keen to forget that he has only had a dominant car for 1 and a half seasons out of the 5 he has been competitive at RBR. Its a bit of a shame that he will be remembered due to a piece of Newey magic and a stroke of luck with tyres.

haha 1 and a half seasons, clearly u haven't been watching F1 in the last 4 years then.

 

[smr]

I do like that people like to think he only had a dominant car for a short period. He had THE best car EVERY season full stop. Every track is different, sometimes they had a 0.1second advantage, sometimes a 1.5second advantage. The car was superior but on certain tracks it wasn't quite as brilliant, that doesn't mean it was a poor car by any stretch. Averaged out over the year he had the best car in the last 4 years.

That doesn't mean he would win every single race, nor that it couldn't be close. Not every team is perfect, they've had failures, tactical mistakes their other driver smash in to Vettel and Vettel has hit Webber, Vettel hit other people.

What you mean to say in 1 or 2 seasons they've been painfully dominant in the title race. Great car doesn't always equal points return, ask Hamilton for all the team screw ups or Massa/Maldonado/Webber hits that have screwed him out of points time and time again. Close or close-ish title doesn't mean they didn't have the dominant car.

At no stage in the past four years has there been a season in which the Red Bull wasn't the best car. The advantage Red Bull had at a majority of races each year was unmatched by anyone else. The Mclaren was good for a half season here on certain tracks, and the Ferrari a half season there at certain tracks. But over what 16-19 races of the season the Red Bull has easily had the best car at over half the races and exceptionally close to the best car at the remaining races.

Off the top of my head i can think of two incidents where Lewis screwed himself up by hitting Maldonado and massa.

Maldonado first turn Monaco. . Lewis trying to pull a ridiculous move and got hit.. no way Maldonado fault. Fact.

Massa at last chicane suzuka where he blamed a collision with massa on his wing mirrors (LOL).

 

[smr]

A lot of people say mclaren had the best car in 2012 don't they?

 

[Skeeter]

A lot of people say mclaren had the best car in 2012 don't they?

Yep. It was. Mclaren threw it away.

In 2009 the Brawn was the dominant car. And in 2013 th first half of the season was pretty level (all be it random). 2010 was a 5 way fight almost to the end.

The only time the RBR has been absolutely dominant is 2011. The rest are a combination of a front running car, a driver who excelled with it, and a team that didn't make mistakes while their rivals did.

But you simply can't reason with a Vettel hater. Hence claims he has had the best car "EVERY SEASON"...
I never said he had a dog, just that its not been 5 years of a car so dominant it could make Max Chilton look like Senna, which seems to be the skew people are trying to put on it.

You simply don't beat Alonso, Hamilton, Button, Kimi, Schumacher, your team mate, and the might of Ferrari and Mclaren 4 years in a row without being a bit good.