Spec me.....£2000+

*meow?*

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That's the stuff you wanted.

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Since the previous specs think the i7 920 (socket 1366) is the best thing since cases painted black on the inside... I did i7 860 (socket 1156) instead.

The i7 860 is equal to or better than the i7 920 and uses a motherboard which doesn't stick a Northbridge beside the graphics card to keep it warm.

The only worthwhile downside by comparison with an i7 920 would be that if you use two g-cards, besides the normal issues with trying to boost performance by using two cards, you gain slightly less performance. It's an electrical difference essentially between the two.

With one G-card, no difference.

The Asus Maximus III Formula motherboard I put with it is about as good as it gets for the 1156 socket and also comes with a decent sound card - not a cheesy onboard sound chip.

Also, it comes with some easy to use overclocking and power adjustment programs which work while the computer is being used, not from the bios. My mobo is the mATX version of it and it can swap between 4ghz, fans at full speed and 1.2ghz, all fans low/off in three mouse clicks. No need to restart your computer or have your cooling doing overtime on your overclocked cpu when you're surfing the internet.

Well I think it's neat anyway ;)

As another plus point... this top of the range socket 1156 board for the i7 860 is £58 less than the equivalent socket 1366 board the i7 920 needs. Which means the mobo and cpu together work out as £31 cheaper than the i7 920 equivalent. Socket 1366 motherboards are filled with unnecessary stuff for most people and it shows in the price.

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HDD, memory, PSU are all good.

Can spend more if you want, go solid state drives, buy (slower but more expensive) Dominator memory and get a 1KW PSU, but there's good and there's unnecessary. They won't improve the game at all. Enough left over to power anything else you put in.

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CPU cooler is a top end variety and unlike the Noctua cooler which also fits the 1156 socket, it doesn't come with brown fans... Mind you, if you can live with that, the Noctua is an alternative.

Headset is pretty good, piles of cookies for it all over the place.

Ditto mowse.

Optical drive is black, does everything to anything that fits in there short of blu-ray.

Keyboard is also black, standard layout and has a few extra buttons.

Three very quiet fans to stick on the roof to assist in ventilation. The only air brought in is hoovered up through the base of the case - which when you consider it, isn't ideal - but these fans will shove air back out again with no problem and no noise.

The case fans already in there are 140mm which are larger and barely worth it to replace with 120mm fans if indeed there are holes for replacing with 120mm's.

Mowsemat. Black. Gaming, for the use of.

Thermal, latest MX formula, supposedly frosty stuff.

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Windows 7, should be out before you need the build complete. XP is fine for me but I'll accept that you might as well use 7 on a new computer.

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Decent set of 2.1 speakers. You'll use the headset for gaming so there's not all that much point to splash on an epic 5.1 setup that you'll need to stick all round your room. If you did want to, there's a choice of 3 @ £46, £67 and £240 yup, that's a serious price hike for the last one.

Printer takes ink in colour separate cartridges, better than buying bundled blocks. Aside from that, it's a printer/scanner/copier and I didn't feel like comparing all of them to pick one :)

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So you've got almost £900-£1150 to spend on your g-card, any alterations you want to make to the spec or even to do something else with.

Have fun.
 
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Erm I'm looking at a site now (in the UK) that is stocking the E5520 for £280, and they sell dual X boards for £280. Think you might need to keep Googling? And yes a dual Quad core Xeon WILL outperform an OC'd i7 on any game that can handle multicpu systems!

So am I. I love how people use google as an insult :rolleyes:
anyway, the E5520 isnt even a mid range Xeon, at 2.26GHz its one of the low end ones. As you stated a mid range I was looking more at the mid range CPUs which come in at £570 each. Then the cheapest non pre-order motherboard is £285. And the RAM comes in at £105 for a 4GB module, x6 to get the 24GB you mentioned = £630. I spent a long time looking into a system just like this and motherboard manufacturers said themselves it would give unexpected results to use non server DDR3 RAM in their dual 1366 boards. Also these boards are not intended in any way to overclock and all I could find say the BIOS have no features to accomodate this.

So you think 8 cores at 2.26GHz are going to outperform 8(4 logical and 4 theoretical) cores at 4.2GHz (easily achievable on an i7 920 D0) in games ?
Even games capable of using multiple threads have the brunt of the work being done in one single thread. The neature of games means each thread depends on the others, doing work in one based on an assumption of another doesnt work. So the brunt 4GHz thread would give the 2.26GHz a nice little headache.

I tested two systems :
A CFD workstation recently purchased -
Dual X5550's (2.66GHz)
12GB DDR3 server RAM 1066MHz
9800GX2 (performs similarly to a GTX275 for reference)

My own system -
i7 920 D0 @ 4GHz
6GB Patriot DDR3 1595MHz
9800GX2

with a range of games. As the GPUs are the same physical GPU the results should be quite fair. But I set the resolutions down low too just to try and make it CPU limited.

My i7 system came out on top in all games. Im sure you wouldnt be surprised about the singel thread games, but ArmaII and GTA IV still favoured my i7.
It was only when giving them work related tasks that the Xeons shone. In large scale rendering and encoding tasks the Xeons were around 35% faster.

It is also worth noting that dual socket motherboards arent standard sizes and can cause case issues (not sure about the corsair). And they require special dual CPU PSUs which cost £250 each too.

The OP would be better off with an i7 (1366 as he wants upgrade paths open in future) system with 'quality' peripherals than an Xeon based workstation.
 
He's much better off IMO spending on a proper workstation that spending god know much on a fancy keyboard and speakers IMHO

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Decent sound is very much worth it. after all games with no sound suck. games with decent surround sound make it far easier for you. I just don't agree. If he was building a base unit you would be right. Bu he is not xeons are just too darn especially eh ram for it. When you consider the peripherals he wants, his base system is not much more expense than many other specs on here.
 
So am I. I love how people use google as an insult :rolleyes:
anyway, the E5520 isnt even a mid range Xeon, at 2.26GHz its one of the low end ones. As you stated a mid range I was looking more at the mid range CPUs which come in at £570 each. Then the cheapest non pre-order motherboard is £285. And the RAM comes in at £105 for a 4GB module, x6 to get the 24GB you mentioned = £630. I spent a long time looking into a system just like this and motherboard manufacturers said themselves it would give unexpected results to use non server DDR3 RAM in their dual 1366 boards. Also these boards are not intended in any way to overclock and all I could find say the BIOS have no features to accomodate this.

So you think 8 cores at 2.26GHz are going to outperform 8(4 logical and 4 theoretical) cores at 4.2GHz (easily achievable on an i7 920 D0) in games ?
Even games capable of using multiple threads have the brunt of the work being done in one single thread. The neature of games means each thread depends on the others, doing work in one based on an assumption of another doesnt work. So the brunt 4GHz thread would give the 2.26GHz a nice little headache.

I tested two systems :
A CFD workstation recently purchased -
Dual X5550's (2.66GHz)
12GB DDR3 server RAM 1066MHz
9800GX2 (performs similarly to a GTX275 for reference)

My own system -
i7 920 D0 @ 4GHz
6GB Patriot DDR3 1595MHz
9800GX2

with a range of games. As the GPUs are the same physical GPU the results should be quite fair. But I set the resolutions down low too just to try and make it CPU limited.

My i7 system came out on top in all games. Im sure you wouldnt be surprised about the singel thread games, but ArmaII and GTA IV still favoured my i7.
It was only when giving them work related tasks that the Xeons shone. In large scale rendering and encoding tasks the Xeons were around 35% faster.

Well firstly I think it's upt to interpretation in terms of what is "mid range" for me with Xeons 1.8 - 2.1Ghz is entry level 2.2 -2.6 is mid range and 2.6+ is high range I think that is a perfectly acceptible view. He's already said he's got 6 weeks to wait, which I believe the cheaper Tyan boards will be in stock by (so we're led to believe anyhow). We can source 2GB ECC DDR3 modules for £38 so he could at least get 16GB for circa £300 (and most boards have 8 sockets in this class). Though most of the server MBs don't support overclocking out of the box, last time I read around the subject mods where just about to be released so I totally expect options to be available before Xmas. Dual quad core xeons @ 3.2GHz will out perform that i7 @ 4.0ghz I'm sure of it in games like ARMA II
 
Great thread, I have learned a lot!!

Won't say much but, to all those people saying that around £2500 is a lot, seriously... its a perfect budget for everything included.
I myself was looking to build around this mark but technology moves so fast i haven't got a chance to, so I'm holding out till the GT300's come out (which i will then hopefully build).
If you have to build before the 15th of Nov, then you should definitely think *thrice* times about what your doing, take some of the advice and buy carefully.

;)
 
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Decent sound is very much worth it. after all games with no sound suck. games with decent surround sound make it far easier for you. I just don't agree. If he was building a base unit you would be right. Bu he is not xeons are just too darn especially eh ram for it. When you consider the peripherals he wants, his base system is not much more expense than many other specs on here.

The RAM isn't that bad actually (compared to how much ECC used be in the bad old days). £40 for 2GB is pretty reasonable IMO, it's just the large modules that cost the earth, can't even source 8GB modules directly. But it's personal choice I guess, some people like nice addons, I just prefer raw power I guess :p
 
Though most of the server MBs don't support overclocking out of the box, last time I read around the subject mods where just about to be released so I totally expect options to be available before Xmas.

There's a gamble. I suspect the answer you personally would want is an overclocked six core nehalem. Certainly I share your view that raw power matters most, and it's the six core I'm looking forward to. I'm yet to find any server board which thinks overclocking is a good idea, and the skulltrail platform was hardly cheap and doesn't exist for nehalem.

Dual socket moves too far away from the market I can buy from. I also have considerable doubts about two 2.26ghz quads beating a 4.2ghz quad in many things, but do see that they'll win out in some situations. I doubt gaming will be one of them. So here's hoping I can somehow fund the hex core.
 
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