Spec me a CCTV System

[sigma]

You may as well talk to the wall in here, it's the wild west of CCTV installation.
I can only hope that the affected people get some data access requests given their blatant disregard for covering public spaces

Home CCTV systems

ico.org.uk

Can I use this to stop the government recording me on public CCTV?

 

[b0rn2sk8]

No, you are in a public place and there is no right to privacy in a public place.

 

[sigma]

No, you are in a public place and there is no right to privacy in a public place.

But it says:

Where possible owners should position their cameras to only capture their own property. However, if this isn’t possible and the CCTV captures someone else's property, a public area or communal space, then data protection law applies

 

[b0rn2sk8]

But it says:

Where possible owners should position their cameras to only capture their own property. However, if this isn’t possible and the CCTV captures someone else's property, a public area or communal space, then data protection law applies

Data protection laws apply but you can’t stop them recording you.

They need a valid reason to make the recordings (e.g. crime prevention is the typical one for public CCTV) and only hold the footage for only as long as necessary for the stated purpose.

Edit: there are more detailed rules for organisations, I assume you are quoting from the ‘home cctv’ section.

 

[sigma]

Data protection laws apply but you can’t stop them recording you.

They need a valid reason to make the recordings (e.g. crime prevention is the typical one for public CCTV) and only hold the footage for only as long as necessary for the stated purpose.

Edit: there are more detailed rules for organisations, I assume you are quoting from the ‘home cctv’ section.

Can't I record the public (like a road next to the house, not just the road obviously, the the road comes into view when covering the garden etc) for crime prevention?

 

[b0rn2sk8]

'it depends' - no one can give you a straight answer without seeing the context but either way, data protection rules will appy.

Crime prevention also isn't a catch all, in the context of your home CCTV, it's reasonble for you to cover your own property for crime prevention purposes but the road isnt your property. It may be reasonble to cover some of the public area but it should really be incidential and not the main focus of the camera.

See this post as an example of how not to do it (cam 1 specifically), personally I can't see how this could ever be considered 'reasonable' and therefore probably breaches data protection rules as you have no legitmate purpose to record the information in frame. https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/spec-me-a-cctv-system.18568132/post-25701779

The council or government on the otherhand are responsible for public order and law enforcement so that crime prevention justification is MUCH stronger.

 

[radderfire]

Can't I record the public (like a road next to the house, not just the road obviously, the the road comes into view when covering the garden etc) for crime prevention?

Make sure it's not pointing too much at your neighbours. Other than that, set it up how you want it. If anyone complains, worry about it then. I doubt anyone will ever complain.

I can't see the Police or authorities complaining, I think they've got bigger problems to deal with.

 

[sigma]

'it depends' - no one can give you a straight answer without seeing the context but either way, data protection rules will appy.

Crime prevention also isn't a catch all, in the context of your home CCTV, it's reasonble for you to cover your own property for crime prevention purposes but the road isnt your property. It may be reasonble to cover some of the public area but it should really be incidential and not the main focus of the camera.

See this post as an example of how not to do it (cam 1 specifically), personally I can't see how this could ever be considered 'reasonable' and therefore probably breaches data protection rules as you have no legitmate purpose to record the information in frame. https://forums.overclockers.co.uk/threads/spec-me-a-cctv-system.18568132/post-25701779

The council or government on the otherhand are responsible for public order and law enforcement so that crime prevention justification is MUCH stronger.

I can understand not filming someone's house or area, but public area, if the government/council can record it, and it's not against the law to record in public (like all the YTers do) then I don't understand why I can't record a road (as part of covering the house) - not trying to argue anything here, I just find it odd.