Spec me a mechanical diesel engine?

The 1.9 XUDs (XUD9TE) fitted to 406s all had the Bosch VE mechanical pump.

The 2.1 XUD (XUD11*) can be converted to run on the Bosch pump, but in the 406 used the Lucas EPIC system as standard. Some of the Xantias/XMs had Bosch XUD11s I think.
 
is it worth it for an extra 14hp?
The XUD only made 90hp new, and ive had a bunch of them in 806's for taxi's
30mpg avg isnt great (this was a heavy 806 mind), and the power band on them is 1800-2600ish,
they are pretty dead after 3k
 
Hey mate,

I used to get an average of 50-60mpg out of my 306. 1800 rpm as a figure is pretty much perfect as thats about where we tend to sit whilst steaming out.

I think for the noise reduction (over the transit) the XUD (non T) lump would be better and possibly both easier and more reliable. I'm guessing if we altered its fueling a little that it would make somewhere near the whole 76hp of the 2.5 transit?
 
You'd be better off buying a complete 306 MOT failure cheapy. At least that way you can hear the engine running & get all the other bits thrown in. Quick check on the bay & the non turbo ones aren't popular so sell cheap anyways.
 
I haven't seen many of the XUD lumps with the bosch fuel pump. Normally seem to have lucas (cav) :(

Its usually only the very early (or some specific variants) that have the Bosch

Swapping from a Lucas to a Bosch pump is only a couple of hours work though.

The 1.9 XUDs (XUD9TE) fitted to 406s all had the Bosch VE mechanical pump.

The 2.1 XUD (XUD11*) can be converted to run on the Bosch pump, but in the 406 used the Lucas EPIC system as standard. Some of the Xantias/XMs had Bosch XUD11s I think.

Both engines in the 406 use an ecu controlled pump so will be no use in a boat.
 
Hey mate,

I used to get an average of 50-60mpg out of my 306. 1800 rpm as a figure is pretty much perfect as thats about where we tend to sit whilst steaming out.

I think for the noise reduction (over the transit) the XUD (non T) lump would be better and possibly both easier and more reliable. I'm guessing if we altered its fueling a little that it would make somewhere near the whole 76hp of the 2.5 transit?

the non turbo is 65hp according to my 806 handbook :)

what about 200tdi engines? aren't those mech fuel pump also?

or there something like this....

nissan non turbo FD35 105ps

http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Land-Rover-Defender-90-110-Nissan-FD-35-Diesel-Engine-complete-conversion-/221032585941?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item3376919ad5
 
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Don't know much about the others, but having owned a few Rover L series lumps thought I'd better comment.

I'd imagine you'll be after the 'early' engine which has manual (non electronic) everything (pretty much). They're non-intercooled as standard and produce 84bhp - however can be simply 'screw modded' and intercooled to give around 120bhp.

Not overly noisy, very reliable and economical too. Over 400k has been noted, it's just the fact they're only 84bhp as standard. If you can transplant the later electronics from a VP30-equipped L series, you can have around 160bhp with minimal modification.
 
Is the boat used on a river or the sea? If it's river based then it doesn't really matter about power due to the speed limit on most rivers being 5mph or less so just about any diesel would do. Surely it would be just ticking over so fuel consumption would be tiny? If it's to be used on the sea then you will be wanting more power. With the right combination these boats can hit 30 knots.
 
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Really not sure why you wouldn't just use a marine diesel for this?



For me it's a question of money and I like to work on engines. I have and old bmc 1.8 engine and would like to use a more modern economic engine.
Most merine engines are start life in a tractor, van or car. And are then marinized for use in a boat.
 
[TW]Fox;26670890 said:
Really not sure why you wouldn't just use a marine diesel for this?

Look at any of the old, time served fishing boats. Many of them had the BMC 1500 diesel (which you'd be horrified at - you don't get much more agricultural than those). Whilst noisy, they are supremely reliable and use very very little fuel. The same can be said for the Peugeot XUD lump. You had one of these engines and I know how 'bad' it is in comparison to a modern engine, but they are fantastic for boat use.

For me it's a question of money and I like to work on engines. I have and old bmc 1.8 engine and would like to use a more modern economic engine.
Most merine engines are start life in a tractor, van or car. And are then marinized for use in a boat.

We did get this sorted in the end. The transit engine went to the scrap yard in the sky. The 1800 BMC is nowhere near as economical as the 1500 BMC. My granddad whilst alive had a few different engines fitted to his fishing boat. The 1500, 1800 and 2200 varieties. He went back to the 1500 in the end as it had almost all of the power of the 1800, and liked fuel a lot less.

We had looked at fitting the 1.9 XUDT lump (turbocharged) instead of the XUD (NA engine) but decided that due to the size of the engine box that the turbocharged lump would suffer more with the increased heat. There was also the issue of cooling the charge as the xudt is set up to run with an intercooler (albeit an inefficient engine top mounted one as standard in the 306, or a front mount in the xantia).

I can't remember off the top of my head who made the conversion bits and pieces that were needed, but they were a well known company and I'll ask him when he's back from Greece for the info if you want it.

The engine runs fine, and we mated it to the typical run of the mill bowman heat exchanger. The sea water pump was connected to where the vacuum pump traditionally connected on a road use engine (right hand side of the head if looking at the engine with the fuel pump at the front).


This chap did a conversion as well, our final product was much the same but the air filter is not a cheap max power job on ours - to try and stop the engine ingesting hot air!.

I think you probably could marinise a turbocharged version, perhaps with a charge cooler should you so desire it. As you're aware though, the 1.8 BMC makes very low power compared to the 70hp provided by the Peugeot engine. We find the boat makes much better progress now, and the engine doesn't need to be worked nearly as hard as with the BMC!
 
Don't Nissan have a relatively reliable 2/2.5L NA diesel engine?
Edit: i may be thinking of ones that are like 20+ years old.
 
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land rover 200/300 tdi unit. very reliable, will run forever and very tolerant of poor diesel/biodiesel etc. Will also be very very cheap as there are loads about in Defender's and Discoveries
 
No, the BMC 1.5 was too small for that boat. We went with a 70,000 mile old XUD lump from a Citroen ZX. If you do fancy the conversion my only advice is change the glow plugs. You'll regret it if you don't at some point. These engines like heat, and the last thing you want to be doing is dragging a boat battery down to start it from long cranks!
 
No, the BMC 1.5 was too small for that boat. We went with a 70,000 mile old XUD lump from a Citroen ZX. If you do fancy the conversion my only advice is change the glow plugs. You'll regret it if you don't at some point. These engines like heat, and the last thing you want to be doing is dragging a boat battery down to start it from long cranks!

Any chance of a few pic? Did you get all the parts from Lancing Marine?
 
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