Specialist Porsche Insurer?

[Housey]

youre the one whos tried to take this somewhere trying to imply you only need a stamp for a warranty just for one example, the discussion is about cheap porsches, you dont get a cheap porsche if you need to, or just want to have it main delaer serviced? is that really difficult to understand?
I dont care how many porsches you own, its simple maths,

Wow....you really have lost it

The 944 is cheap because:

1: You do not need to service it at an OPC (has that sunk in)
2: You do not need to pay Porsche for bits or people (again?)
3: Hardly any 944's are main dealer serviced (going in now?)
4: OEM parts are MUCH cheaper, Golf cheap TODAY (surely now its going in)

So.....

Taking that into account, the 944 is a cheap Porsche no matter how much it may have cost 20 years back OR how much it MIGHT cost SHOULD you chose to have it to done via the OPC network, which again, for clarity, MOST 944 OWNERS DONT.

YOU are painting a picture which resembles NOTHING like the ownership of a 944 today. You are making points of utter irrelevance to modern day 944 ownership to prove your point, and then making smug remarks to imply your obviously wiser than the facts bare out.

It is not about your point, its about a cheap Porsche and a 944 today, taking points 1 through 4 into account, as any sane person who buys one would, is as cheap as a family car. As I said, THOSE ARE FACTS and you point about how much your family member paid in 1990 is totally irrelevant to this discussion.

As you so rightly said

the discussion is about cheap porsches

Based on the above its a cheap one and YOU WONT HAVE AN OPC SERVICE IT if you want to run it cheaply because IT IS STUPID TO DO SO!

 

[SC04]

You have clearly lost it.

944s are now old Porsches, yes parts need replacing but can be done at a lower cost now due to many various parts available at a cheaper price. Also you won't need to have it serviced at a main dealer, hence further lower costs. It makes sense to keep a new car serviced at a main dealer, a) to remain with the warranty conditions, b) affects the residual value, this goes out the window for a 944 thats decades old..........I fail to see whats difficult to understand about that.....

FFS that was my point wasnt it?

 

[Housey]

You have clearly lost it.

944s are now old Porsches, yes parts need replacing but can be done at a lower cost now due to many various parts available at a cheaper price. Also you won't need to have it serviced at a main dealer, hence further lower costs. It makes sense to keep a new car serviced at a main dealer, a) to remain with the warranty conditions, b) affects the residual value, this goes out the window for a 944 thats decades old..........I fail to see whats difficult to understand about that.....

Thank you, I was starting to quesiton myself.

 

[ironman]

FFS that was my point wasnt it?

No.....you are strange.

 

[[TW]Fox]

What he said ^^

 

[SC04]

maybe I should have explained I work in a niche area in the classic vehicle market and have often come across people who take old porsches back to main dealers to keep the values up, this is in switzerland and germany btw.
this isnt a boast btw I could be a swarfega salesman for all I care you to know

but I do love the references to what 'most people' would do or 'nobody takes a 944 to a dealer', you've completely ignored a major part of motoring. There will come a time when BMW E30s will be worth more money with main dealer service docs, regardless of whether the car has been restored or not.
Ive seen 1980s cult jap bikes fetch a grand more due to having orginal purchase receipts, for a piece of paper! so you think I really give a monkeys how much porsche discs cost?
So dont think for one minute something is stupid, just because it doesnt revolve around your way of doing things, this is about values and money and collectabilty.
Hey nobody stores a 944 s2 cab in a climate controlled room do they? its yours for 9k if you want it , a left hooker and yes main dealer serviced all its life as stupid as that is. I guess in the UK you know better considering your 944s and E30s (just as an example) are nothing but abused tat. Ive spent the last couple of years laughing at UK ebayers falling over themselves buying alloy wheels from Germany, 1980s and 1990s cars!

 

[Housey]

Well as you say we are talking about he UK firstly, not Germany, and in particular not Switzerland, which are somewhat different markets to our own. If you look at my history of posts on this forum, and many others, you will see I am very cautious with the words I use and the context in which I use them. I share your distaste for generalisations and stereotypes so try where possible to avoid them, as I feel I do on this thread.

It is a fact however, in the context of this thread, and as I said that "most people" would not take a 944 to an OPC. I also said, and this time in very clear context "no one, taking points 1 to 4 into account" would take a 944 to an OPC, because they would not.

I have not said at any point that no one would take a 944 to an OPC as I know OPC's service 944's, I have seen them there, but I also know by fact of talking to many owners, contributing to many forums with such owners, talking to most of the well known independants and reading all of the Porshce press for years that in the UK the vast majority of 944's will be serviced outside of the OPC network, it is a fact that will be confirmed by any forum you care to post in or any independent or OPC you care to speak to.

 

[SC04]

Well as you say we are talking about he UK firstly, not Germany, and in particular not Switzerland, which are somewhat different markets to our own. If you look at my history of posts on this forum, and many others, you will see I am very cautious with the words I use and the context in which I use them. I share your distaste for generalisations and stereotypes so try where possible to avoid them, as I feel I do on this thread.

It is a fact however, in the context of this thread, and as I said that "most people" would not take a 944 to an OPC. I also said, and this time in very clear context "no one, taking points 1 to 4 into account" would take a 944 to an OPC, because they would not.

I have not said at any point that no one would take a 944 to an OPC as I know OPC's service 944's, I have seen them there, but I also know by fact of talking to many owners, contributing to many forums with such owners, talking to most of the well known independants and reading all of the Porshce press for years that in the UK the vast majority of 944's will be serviced outside of the OPC network.

well they are different markets, but the biggest difference is culture, and in the end we in the UK end up wanting what theyve got, which is quality unabused vehicles and parts, which is partly why im over here.
Theres a lot of stuff coming in from the east too, especially with cult bikes.

so what about the 'stupid' comments?
Im still saying if you want to run a nice older porsche its not cheap, nice older porsches need a history, they are getting harder to find, and so are good dealers who are going to look after it and record the history, the Uk is plagued with clocking and rip off dealers, if you want to run tat off ebay using oem parts from G&S its a different matter, but it will always be tat ebay fodder until one day it is restored. And when it comes to restoration its a whole new ball game where genuine parts become sort after again.

Look whats happening to Mk1 and 2 escorts, it wasnt that long ago you couldnt give them away, and people are asking me to find good shells offering silly money.It will be the same with E30s, once one of the most hated cars in London when they got to the blacked out windows stage.

 

[mattpc]

Worst 'my Dad has a Porsche thread' ever

thanks for that comic book guy..............

 

[penski]

I was looking at a late (92) 944S2, it was the best one i'd found for sale and was up for just under 7k, so it was a cheap Porsche, even thought it had been very well looked after and had a folder full of service receipts, it was getting to the age it wanted the cams taking out, balance belt and other things doing (again), wasn't willing to spend 2.5k straight off on a 7k car, if it didn't need this doing it would have been mine.

My dad got a late S2 944 for £0, spent a week replacing a few bits of wire, chasing dry joints and fixing them (cost...About £3 for heat shrink, wire solder and the electricity to power the soldering iron?), spent £50 on service bits and bobs from GSF, spent £25 on an MOT yesterday afternoon, £20 on some petrol, £50 on having it valeted and he has two guys coming to see it this afternoon, looking for a track day/weekend toy.

Seven grand? **** off.

*n

 

[SC04]

My dad got a late S2 944 for £0, spent a week replacing a few bits of wire, chasing dry joints and fixing them (cost...About £3 for heat shrink, wire solder and the electricity to power the soldering iron?), spent £50 on service bits and bobs from GSF, spent £25 on an MOT yesterday afternoon, £20 on some petrol, £50 on having it valeted and he has two guys coming to see it this afternoon, looking for a track day/weekend toy.

Seven grand? **** off.

*n

to be fair, he said it was the best one he found, not track day tat.

 

[Housey]

Im still saying if you want to run a nice older porsche its not cheap, nice older porsches need a history, they are getting harder to find, and so are good dealers who are going to look after it and record the history, the Uk is plagued with clocking and rip off dealers, if you want to run tat off ebay using oem parts from G&S its a different matter, but it will always be tat ebay fodder until one day it is restored. And when it comes to restoration its a whole new ball game where genuine parts become sort after again.

Having a history, and the vast majority of 944's at the top end of the market in the UK will have a full history, has no impact on the running costs of the car moving forward in real terms, other than maintaining it via an indi. A full history (take a view at the 72 on Pistonheads as one example, or maybe Henry Firman's lot or other such respected indi's) and you will see a full history is more often than not a solid set of dealer AND independent stamps. There is no question that maintaining that history will benefit you come resale, but an independent service on a well run and maintained 944, with a book full of OPC and Indi stamps, will cost you the same as a normal BMW, Audi, VW etc. To me, and based on the fact it is still a Porsche is cheap.

I am not talking about self servicing a bits'a from eBay, or a car with 10 years lack of history and a cloudy history, I am talking about nice cars, available today with good OPC/Indi histories being 'cheap'' given my example above. If you are discussing the top 1%, the concourse cars it could be argued that yes, running them will be pricy, but then that would be the case with most concourse cars, its about the best of the best and provenance in such cases and an OPC history might be seen as beneficial, but these are the very rare cars.

My point is clear, a normal 944, with a full history, all the right modifications and changes should be a cheap car to run as it will not be used heavily in the main and will be cheap to service and for parts. Everything else is of little relevance because this is the only point I am debating, and its clearly a fact within the terms of everyone else who has contributed to this thread, and within the context of my comments.

 

[SC04]

. Everything else is of little relevance because this is the only point I am debating, and its clearly a fact within the terms of everyone else who has contributed to this thread, and within the context of my comments.

The funny thing is, you ignored my original point in this thread, and instead choose to make references to my friends and family as porsche owners perhaps even implying there is a 'typical' owner or a typical cheap porsche owner.

TW Fox and stelios did the same as below.

"Your friends are not typical of the Porsche owners I know.......or me.

"Maybe they are typical of those who come into posession of a cheap Porsche..."

"Then thats their own fault for expecting a cheap car at tiem of purchase to have cheap runnign costs, adn obviously havent considered runnign costs and just bought it for the hell of it."

why the concern with the type of porsche owner? is their snobbery involved here?
it doesnt really matter what my friends were or wernt, my point was about the Op's dad who is "tight arsed" and "looking to save money" on an insurance quote of £450 for a Carrera 4! , it being a minor financial worry.

I dont know what the typical porsche owners you know are, but it's a fact of life that people are shocked by repair bills, even when you're expecting high ones, many garages in the Uk will overcharge, VW maindealers got a lot of complaints when I used them.
Its also a fact that a lot of people enjoy an expensive car for a shorter amount of time, and then decide put the money into something else. Which is exactly what happened to my friends, and they wernt cheap porsches.

 

[Lopéz]

Ive spent the last couple of years laughing at UK ebayers falling over themselves buying alloy wheels from Germany, 1980s and 1990s cars!

Bloody hell, your ribs must really ache by now! Does it not put you off when you're trying to drive your go-kart?

 

[Firestar_3x]

Seven grand? **** off.

*n

Yes you can get them very cheap, but they will be of unknown past, unknown service history and in an unknown state.

Two ends to the 944 market, the cheap 2k end which are older cars without much history and of basic spec and loads of miles.

Of the cared for classics which have everything documented, have all the options fitted and are in good order this is the 5k plus area.

You can't compare the two, it was going to be my only car so it had to work.

I was looking into them about a year ago now, the same car is still around the 5.5 / 6.5k area.

Anyways you know the score about them...

 

[SC04]

Bloody hell, your ribs must really ache by now! Does it not put you off when you're trying to drive your go-kart?

go-kart? who are you? Mark Blundell ?

 

[Housey]

SCO4, my pont is clear, nuff said.

 

[Phate]

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