Speck me a £400 basic gaming PC

HXSVN · 8 Jan 2018 at 21:45

lltfdaniel said:
Well since i giv
e a lot of money, a person who streams online noticed quite a performance boost going from 2400mhz ram to 3000mhz, he has a 1500x ryzen processor.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/pc-components/memory/ddr4/ddr4-3000-mhz

I am not the best person to pick the best ram but i know for sure lower the ram timings the better performance you get so to speak.

Your looking at about £200 for the ram.

https://www.overclockers.co.uk/team...nnel-kit-black-red-tdprd416g30-my-071-tg.html

To be honest 8gb of ram is the bare minimum to play games with, 16gb is the ideal amount nowadays.

The more ram the less hiccups you get with the game demanding more ram than you currently have because if you don't have enough ram it will start to use virtual memory which comes from the hdd and it will hiccup or stutter.

If you say a ssd will be good as virtual memory i say ddr4 is a lot faster so i'd pick the ram here.

For the money what you will get you will be able to play game on high/max @ 1080p for sure.

The Corsair Vengeance LPX 16gb (https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cors...kit-black-cmk16gx4m2b30-my-445-cs.html#awards) also seem to operate at same levels, no?

Maybe if I find the used parts section of OCUK forums, I'll see what SSD's are people selling and see if I can stretch further

lltfdaniel · 8 Jan 2018 at 21:48

HXSVN said:
The Corsair Vengeance LPX 16gb (https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cors...kit-black-cmk16gx4m2b30-my-445-cs.html#awards) also seem to operate at same levels, no?

Maybe if I find the used parts section of OCUK forums, I'll see what SSD's are people selling and see if I can stretch further

Yes they operate at same levels of mhz.

Plec · 8 Jan 2018 at 21:49

As you're still on a budget and upgrading the CPU and MB you will be fine with the standard Team Group listed in the below spec as the Gigabyte board will hit the XMP for this memory with the latest BIOS/AGESA update:

My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x Gigabyte GA-AB350M-Gaming 3 AMD B350 (Socket AM4) DDR4 Micro ATX Motherboard= £87.95
1 x AMD Ryzen 5 Six Core 1600 3.60GHz (Socket AM4) Processor - Retail= £179.99
1 x Team Group Vulcan T-Force 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C14 2400MHz Dual Channel Kit - Grey (TLGD416G24= £188.99
1 x EVGA 450BT 450W 80 Plus Bronze Power Supply= £37.99
1 x Kolink Aviator M Micro-ATX Gaming Case - Black= £32.99
1 x Toshiba P300 1TB 7200RPM 64MB Cache High Performance Hard Drive (HDWD110UZSVA)= £39.95

Total: £580.16 (includes shipping: £12.30)

However, if you want to spend ~£210 the you may as well get a 3200MHz set and know that it will hit 3000MHz but may hit 3200MHz now or on the future if you're lucky:

My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x Team Group Dark Pro 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-25600C16 3200MHz Dual Channel Kit - Black/Grey (TDPGD416G3= £199.99

Total: £208.69 (includes shipping: £8.70)

Plec · 8 Jan 2018 at 21:54

Although i would personally put any extra money to a better PSU:

My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x Super Flower Platinum King 450W 80 Plus Platinum Power Supply - Black= £54.95

HXSVN · 8 Jan 2018 at 21:58

Plec said:
Although i would personally put any extra money to a better PSU:

My basket at Overclockers UK:

1 x Super Flower Platinum King 450W 80 Plus Platinum Power Supply - Black= £54.95

I want to learn as I build, hence my low level questions:

1. What does a better PSU enable?
2. With the RAM, theres only £11 difference between 2400MHz and 3200MHz. Is it worth saving that £11 for potentially slower speed?

Plec · 8 Jan 2018 at 22:10

HXSVN said:
I want to learn as I build, hence my low level questions:

1. What does a better PSU enable?
2. With the RAM, theres only £11 difference between 2400MHz and 3200MHz. Is it worth saving that £11 for potentially slower speed?

You're jumping from a budget spec to a very respectable/quality build - the only weakness being the budget PSU. A quality platinum efficiency PSU backed a 5 year warranty is a wiser choice for your new build for an extra ~£15 if you can afford it.
Depends on your funds. There's no guarantee you'll hit 3200Mhz - but you will definitely hit 3000MHZ (2933MHz) with either set. You would be spending the extra £11 in the hope of hitting 3200MHz now or in the future with future BIOS/AGESA updates. Ryzen performs better with faster memory and 3000+ is the sweet spot - your choice as to what you can afford.

I would pick a better PSU over 200MHz if you have to choose between the two - as the above spec coupled with a GTX 970 is worth investing in a quality PSU.

HXSVN · 8 Jan 2018 at 23:33

Plec said:
You're jumping from a budget spec to a very respectable/quality build - the only weakness being the budget PSU. A quality platinum efficiency PSU backed a 5 year warranty is a wiser choice for your new build for an extra ~£15 if you can afford it.

Depends on your funds. There's no guarantee you'll hit 3200Mhz - but you will definitely hit 3000MHZ (2933MHz) with either set. You would be spending the extra £11 in the hope of hitting 3200MHz now or in the future with future BIOS/AGESA updates. Ryzen performs better with faster memory and 3000+ is the sweet spot - your choice as to what you can afford.

I would pick a better PSU over 200MHz if you have to choose between the two - as the above spec coupled with a GTX 970 is worth investing in a quality PSU.

Would you recommend the 1 x Team Group Vulcan T-Force 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C14 2400MHz Dual Channel Kit - Grey (TLGD416G24 above or VENGEANCE LPX 16GB (2X8GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C14 2400MHZ DUAL CHANNEL KIT - RED (CMK16GX4M2A2400 (https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cors...hannel-kit-red-cmk16gx4m2a2400-my-438-cs.html) ? seems to be 1o quid cheaper

Plec · 8 Jan 2018 at 23:43

HXSVN said:
Would you recommend the 1 x Team Group Vulcan T-Force 16GB (2x8GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C14 2400MHz Dual Channel Kit - Grey (TLGD416G24 above or VENGEANCE LPX 16GB (2X8GB) DDR4 PC4-19200C14 2400MHZ DUAL CHANNEL KIT - RED (CMK16GX4M2A2400 (https://www.overclockers.co.uk/cors...hannel-kit-red-cmk16gx4m2a2400-my-438-cs.html) ? seems to be 1o quid cheaper

I personally buy Corsair - but there's no difference. Both will hit 3000MHz using XMP and it would be down to luck if you could run tighter timings on either set.

The red of the Corsair would compliment the MB colouring - something to consider with a windowed case.

HXSVN · 9 Jan 2018 at 07:21

Plec said:
I personally buy Corsair - but there's no difference. Both will hit 3000MHz using XMP and it would be down to luck if you could run tighter timings on either set.

The red of the Corsair would compliment the MB colouring - something to consider with a windowed case.

What else do I need, any idea of a silent CPU cooler?

Anything else I need? Wires or cables etc?

Plec · 9 Jan 2018 at 07:27

HXSVN said:
What else do I need, any idea of a silent CPU cooler?

Anything else I need? Wires or cables etc?

if you're buying the Ryzen 1600 then the stock Wraith cooler is more than adequate - even if condidering a moderate clock.

Your MB, PSU still come with all the cables you need. Perhaps a DP/HDMI cable for the monitor. Depends on your monitor/inputs and what you want to use.

Do you need a WiFi or will the PC be hardwired into the network?

HXSVN · 9 Jan 2018 at 07:57

Plec said:
if you're buying the Ryzen 1600 then the stock Wraith cooler is more than adequate - even if condidering a moderate clock.

Your MB, PSU still come with all the cables you need. Perhaps a DP/HDMI cable for the monitor. Depends on your monitor/inputs and what you want to use.

Do you need a WiFi or will the PC be hardwired into the network?

I already have an HDMI, mouse etc.

With the WiFi, I have a basic TP Link WiFi module. Would that be sufficient?

Plec · 9 Jan 2018 at 08:28

HXSVN said:
With the WiFi, I have a basic TP Link WiFi module. Would that be sufficient?

For City Skylines, Football Manager and general browsing the basic TP Link should be fine.

HXSVN · 9 Jan 2018 at 08:47

Plec said:
For City Skylines, Football Manager and general browsing the basic TP Link should be fine.

Thank you. Once @lltfdaniel informs me that the GPU is posted, I'll order the remaining parts and build it.

lltfdaniel · 9 Jan 2018 at 09:11

Yea i'll let you know right away.

Anyways was looking for post office in my area and there is one nearby which doesn't need a lot of walking which is good.

HXSVN · 9 Jan 2018 at 09:24

lltfdaniel said:
Yea i'll let you know right away.

Anyways was looking for post office in my area and there is one nearby which doesn't need a lot of walking which is good.

Thank you mate

lltfdaniel · 9 Jan 2018 at 09:25

Yea for whatever reason if the gtx 970 doesn't work i'll order you a gtx 1060 so no worries.

I have been paid today so i can afford that.

lltfdaniel · 9 Jan 2018 at 09:44

Right well since i couldn't be bothered to go for a walk i bought him a gtx 1060 3gb itx graphics card should be with him tomorrow.

My bad i know for being lazy.

Plec · 9 Jan 2018 at 09:44

HXSVN said:
Thank you. Once @lltfdaniel informs me that the GPU is posted, I'll order the remaining parts and build it.

Looking at @lltfdaniel's #32 post he's really gone 'above and beyond' in making sure the GPU gets to you safely at considerable cost.

lltfdaniel said:
Yea for whatever reason if the gtx 970 doesn't work i'll order you a gtx 1060 so no worries.

@lltfdaniel - don't paint yourself into a corner bud. The act of donating the GTX 970 is generous enough - more than generous. Buying a GTX 1060 if for some reason it doesn't work would be too much - especially if you have to wait to be paid to afford it. That would indicate to me that you don't have funds to spare/savings.

You've already been incredibly generous - don't put your self out of pocket if for some reason the card doesn't work.

Plec · 9 Jan 2018 at 09:46

lltfdaniel said:
Right well since i couldn't be bothered to go for a walk i bought him a gtx 1060 3gb itx graphics card should be with him tomorrow.

My bad i know for being lazy.

Doobly what, what!?

HXSVN · 9 Jan 2018 at 09:49

Plec said:
Looking at @lltfdaniel's #32 post he's really gone 'above and beyond' in making sure the GPU gets to you safely at considerable cost.

@lltfdaniel - don't paint yourself into a corner bud. The act of donating the GTX 970 is generous enough - more than generous. Buying a GTX 1060 if for some reason it doesn't work would be too much - especially if you have to wait to be paid to afford it. That would indicate to me that you don't have funds to spare/savings.

You've already been incredibly generous - don't put your self out of pocket if for some reason the card doesn't work.

Honestly this is not necessary. I cant believe you went out of your way for this. I am truly grateful. The GTX 970 was more than enough and now you went and did this.