Speed camera laws infringe basic rights?

What about the lies, spin and propaganda used by "Safety Camera Partnerships"? In one set of K&SI (killed & seriously injured) figures produced by a SCP to justify the location of a speed camera, they included an incident on a nearby garage forecourt.

What about the general intimidation of people who might stand up to an alleged speed offence becuase they believe they were speeding? Which, given the known problems with some speed detection equipment like the LTI 20.20 is entirely possible. For instance, this this threat made by ACPO (Association of Chief Police Officers) saying that people will face costs of up £4000 if they challenge and lose a speeding case.

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Wrong answer, ACPO. There is established case law (R v. Northallerton Magistrates) that says the costs must be proportionate to the fine.

By the way, did you know ACPO are actually a limited company? So are exempt from FOI (Freedom Of Information) act requests.
 
Cyanide said:
Don't go on the M25 then
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I seldom drive on the M25 - i tend to drive through london if i need to get to the north of it. You can't speed on the M25 anyway ;) And the cameras are active at different times too. But it's never been a problem for me I'm points free. :) Besides those aren't SPECS cameras...
 
Dr Who said:
all the bikes in cyprus have small stick on front number plates...

Its not really a major issue..

;)
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Damn I forgot you're in Cyprus I should have called you up when I was there... There's a chance I'm moving there for a year or so next year...
 
pinkaardvark said:
My ex's inlaws live in larnacca. horrible place :eek:
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I'm part cypriot and lived there for a many years (though not in larnaca) - I love that country but I'm biased. :)

They've introduced red light cameras now though :p
 
I whole heartedly agree with Rilot.

I would much prefer decent traffic cops on patrol that can see a whole host of offences. They can also, as in Rilot's scenario, charge people foir dangerous driving that may not be speeding. I'm also passionatly against the fact that speed cameras are reducing the number of cops on patrol.

I dispise the fact that people think that cameras make roads safer. They don't. They catch people that are driving above a limit, whether it is safe or not. IMO, speeding doesn't kill, inappropriate use of speed kills.

The government need to re-think their stratergy, cameras are not reaching their objective by saving lives, they are only making money.

I wouldn't be so bothered if that money was going to traffic cops though, but it's not.

Burnsy
 
grahamjenks said:
Maybe they should just change the law so that the owner of the vechicle recieves all punishment, that way no need to worry who was actually driving at the time!
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It would have to be the registered keeper rather than the owner.

What happens in the case of a company car then? Who gets the points? (normaly it's the company secretary, but of they don't have a licence?).
 
burnsy2023 said:
I wouldn't be so bothered if that money was going to traffic cops though, but it's not.

Burnsy
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Agree with your whole post wholeheartedly other than this. dont forget 4 strikes and your out! if it was £30 then fair do's but I dont like the points system, it takes perfectly safe drivers off the rad more than it takes bad ones away.

The gvt will never get rid of such a big cash cow, but we need more traffic cops, that is the only way possible to catch idiots who cannot drive, there is no other way!
 
Oakesy2001uk said:
The gvt will never get rid of such a big cash cow, but we need more traffic cops, that is the only way possible to catch idiots who cannot drive, there is no other way!
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Half the people on the road then...
 
grahamjenks said:
Maybe they should just change the law so that the owner of the vechicle recieves all punishment, that way no need to worry who was actually driving at the time!
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Whoah there, that's even worse than the current system from a justice point of view.

That's akin to simply saying that if a murder victim is found, whoever's house is nearest is guilty and will be punished accordingly....
 
Freefaller said:
Merged the other Thread from GD here.
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Ah, that explains a lot.

I was a well confused wondering where the other posts had come from:confused: I thought some serious editing was going on :D


For those who say this is just a way to avoid fines, it is not about speeding at all. It is about the way this government is eroding freedom and right to be treated fairly.

There was a time when the law was there to protect the layman. Now the law is there to provide the government with a way of forcing the layman to do what the governement wants them to do.

Henry Porter in the Observer said:
Successive laws passed by New Labour have pared down our liberty at an astonishing rate. The right to trial by jury, the right to silence, the right not to be punished until a court has decided that the law has been broken, the right to demonstrate and protest, the presumption of innocence, the right to private communication, the right to travel without surveillance and the details of that journey being retained - all have been curtailed"
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Tony Blair in a reply to Henry Porter said:
"I am sorry to tell you: I want us to go further in all these areas."
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This is an interesting site
 
Oakesy2001uk said:
Agree with your whole post wholeheartedly other than this.
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When I said I wouldn't be so bothered, wrong wording. It's still annoy the hell out of me but at least I would feel there was at least some justification.

Burnsy
 
Rilot said:
You are miss reading my post. I said the link between breaking speed limits. Not travelling at speed per-se.

If the government were interested in 20mph speeds they would put cameras outside schools and not on open stretches of country road.

Example:

1. Clear motorway, no traffic, good road surface, 70Mph limit, travelling at 90Mph.
2. Heavy traffic, Single lane road, raining, poor road surface, 60Mph speed limit, travelling at 50Mph.

One is perfectly safe but totally illegal.
The other is suicidal but totally legal.

The government needs to move away from this speed kills rubbish and focus on the real causes of death such as lack of observation, generally poor driving skills, badly maintained cars, un-educated perdestrians, poor signage etc.

They have drummed this speed kills message in to people so hard that they honestly believe that as long as they are driving under the posted limit, they can be waving their arms around with their eyes shut and still be perfectly safe as they aren't speeding.

I really hope that this is successful and that all speed cameras are taken down and the money ploughed in to more traffic cops on patrol.

A speed camera can't catch a drunk driver
A speed camera can't catch an un-insured driver
A speed camera can't catch someone driving dagerously
A speed camera can't catch a car theif

All they can do is catch someone breaking the posted speed limit. A traffic officer can do that already and all of the other things on top.
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I agree completly with this ^^
 
It's interesting how many people come on here and moan that road safety is not improved by speed cameras, complain about the worsening driver standards and then do...nothing.

If you chaps REALLY believe that you want to introduce a better method than the speed cameras, please do the following:
- Go petition the government to strip off the speed cameras and add a whole bunch of traffic cops. I know that they have been reduced, but right now they're hopefully catching the geezer who mugged your mum, so you can't use them right now
- Go petition the public to raise the taxes to (a) pay to strip off the speed cameras, and (b) pay for the new police patrol drivers, cars, and maintenance to mount a serious deterrant.

If you're simply too damn lazy to do the above, then how about giving it a rest.
 
Mr_Sukebe said:
It's interesting how many people come on here and moan that road safety is not improved by speed cameras, complain about the worsening driver standards and then do...nothing.

If you chaps REALLY believe that you want to introduce a better method than the speed cameras, please do the following:
- Go petition the government to strip off the speed cameras and add a whole bunch of traffic cops. I know that they have been reduced, but right now they're hopefully catching the geezer who mugged your mum, so you can't use them right now
- Go petition the public to raise the taxes to (a) pay to strip off the speed cameras, and (b) pay for the new police patrol drivers, cars, and maintenance to mount a serious deterrant.

If you're simply too damn lazy to do the above, then how about giving it a rest.
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why pay more taxes, there never used to be speed cameras, and there used to be a lot more traffic cops!! :confused:
Its not our fault the govt has decided to waste the money made by scamera's and made by reducing patrols on something else, like supplying gypsies with DVD's telling them their rights, that one made me laugh! THEY DONT EVEN PAY TAX!! :mad: there is so many more "schemes" like this, I need to move away from here! :) but I never will so there is no point in moaning!
 
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