Speed limit cuts move a step closer

I drive as fast as I feel safe driving.

Are you one of those **** in a chavved up Saxo who blitz around NSL rural roads doing an inappropriate 60?

Perhaps we're imagining different roads here but i'm not talking about single track roads or going around blind corners at 60. I'm talking about something with a centre line painted.
Unless it's a single track road I can't possibly see what's wrong with 60 or 80mph on a rural road.
Obviously you have to brake and slow for the bends? You do realise that you don't have to maintain the same speed for bends and at junctions you know?

There should really be no need for any speed limits if people knew (as I do and no doubt many others here) how to drive at the correct speed for the conditions.

Not just 25 in 30s, 40 in 60s and 60 on the motorway as most anti speed idiots seem to do.
 
I've shamelessly cut and pasted the below content from elsewhere on the web, but i echo all the points made in the below paragraphs.


Deaths on our roads are about 3500 per year. Obviously it would be nice to reduce this, but the amount of pressure to do so is out of all proportion to the possible savings of life. Closer inspection is needed of the figures.



For every death that occurs at the scene of a road accident, there are a much larger number of accidents that result in survivable injury. More than ten times as many people survive but need hospitalization. Some of these people never get it because of poor ambulance services. Theses people should not be registered as road traffic fatalities, but as casualties of the poor ambulance service, because they could have survived if only the ambulance service was adequate.



Of the remainder of potential survivors at the scene, a number reach hospital and die there. Some of these deaths are as a direct result of severity of the accident and are unavoidable. They are correctly attributed as road deaths. However, many so called road deaths actually occur in hospital as a result of mistakes, infections and negligence rather than as a direct result of their actual injuries. These should be attributed correctly to these causes as appropriate, and not simply lumped into road death statistics, as the road accident is not the actual cause of their death, only a contributory factor.



If deaths due to poor emergency service response and those caused by problems in the NHS are removed from the road death statistics, they would be very much smaller.



On current government figures, as many as one in ten patients contracts a serious infection while in hospital that could reasonably have been prevented. If 50000 people are admitted each year due to a road accident, and 10% catch a serious infection, and 10% of these die from it (fairly conservative figures), then this alone would account for 500 deaths every year that are attributed as road deaths that are actually caused by the NHS. Estimating that a few hundred others are caused by late arrival of emergency services (due to road congestion, poor logistics or poor practices), then as few as 2500 people per year are actually killed directly by road accidents. 1000 others who were seriously injured in the road accident die for other reasons.



Speed cameras cost a lot of money to install and run, and have only made a slight impact on road deaths so far. Perhaps the money and resources spent on speed cameras would be far better allocated to improving hospital cleanliness, where it would be far more productive in terms of life saving. Because of course people don’t only go to hospital because of traffic accidents. The number of deaths due to avoidable hospital-contracted infections are at least 5000 per year. Reducing this by half would therefore save as many lives as are lost on the roads every year.



But it isn’t just infections. The number of people that are killed by the NHS every year is debatable, but figures of around 75000 have been derived by some bodies. This is made up of those who have died because of infections that they have caught while in hospital, notably MRSA, mistakes by doctors and nurses, those who die because of negligence, and those caused by inadequate skill of the surgical and caring staff. This figure totally dwarfs the figure for road deaths. And yet all of these are avoidable in principle. Whereas we already have the safest roads in the world so reducing road deaths still further will be very difficult.



Yet we see far less discussion in the media of these figures than the much smaller ones associated by road deaths. And there is far more political pressure to reduce the road death figures than to clean up hospitals or improve care practices to reduce the impact of negligence and errors.

Copyright Ian Pearson, BT Futurologist (whoever he is)
 
[TW]Fox;13926372 said:
If the NSL becomes 50 then I shall ignore it unit i accumulate 9 points. Its pathetic.

Exactly the same, bunch of nanny state cobblers run by 90 year old drivers tootling allong at 30 in a 60 :(
 
It's pathetic, as I said in the other thread.

They have already changed a lot of the NSL roads around here, roads which can be comfortably driven at speeds well in excess of the NSL, yet they are now 50MPH roads for what I can only assume to be no reason what so ever.

It won't reduce road deaths, mark my words.
 
Of course, if these "More than ten times as many people"" who survive but need hospitalization were not injured in a RTA, the Ambulances and Hospitals would actually be able to deal with other things . . .
 
Can't see a problem myself. The limit is 60 but I regularly see myself creeping up to 75 because the car I'm in gives me no feedback. Just as quiet as if it was doing 45. Back in the day the 60 limit was there and you knew you were doing 60 and didn't push over it. Now you sail past it without noticing. You can stop from 60 in no time at all but go much faster and your stopping distances on most bland hatchbacks with pathetic brakes significantly goes up. Just because the car feels safe at speed doesn't mean it is. Our performance cars and the fact that we're all keen drivers in here means that we probably can go over the limit safely. Can the majority of the population? No.

Same on the motorway. You can react and stop from 70 in time most of the time, but try it at 95 and the brakes will fade out and you'll sail on a very long way before you stop in most cars.
 
Lets just ban townies and old people from country roads. Sorted.

Oh, and those 2/3/4 a breast arrogant cyclist ********
 
Variable speed limits for the win.

Cars that are capable are allowed to do 70MPH, cars that suck are allowed to do 50MPH.

:D
 
I'd be quite pleased, at 50mph a Honda Jazz is easier to get past than one doing 60mph, but as most people who drive on our roads are morons, its not a Honda Jazz, its 12 Honda Jazz's all with a gap of half a carlength doing 50mph....
 
I don't pay much attention to speed limits anyway... unless it's a 40 or 30 zone.

NSL to me, and always will, mean: "do whatever you feel is safe and your car is capable of doing safely".
 
I'm with the majority here, when i see a NSL, i think "drive to the conditions" when i see 40 or 30, then you know to stick to the limit.

Dropping it to 50 will do nothing apart from cause more accidents by people being annoyed at the 50...

Seriously, if they did a nationwide poll on something like this, they'd realise how much of a dim-witted idea it was.
 
[TW]Fox;13927809 said:
So lets ban bland hatchbacks.

Lets just ban townies and old people from country roads. Sorted.

Oh, and those 2/3/4 a breast arrogant cyclist ********

Variable speed limits for the win.

Cars that are capable are allowed to do 70MPH, cars that suck are allowed to do 50MPH.

:D
All good plans. I'm with you guys 100% :D
 
I don't pay much attention to speed limits anyway... unless it's a 40 or 30 zone.

NSL to me, and always will, mean: "do whatever you feel is safe and your car is capable of doing safely".
Totally agree. On a country road I'll drive at a speed that I feel I'm capable of. If at times this means 60MPH+ then fine, at other times it might mean well below 60MPH.
 
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