Speeding on a motorway

If the conditions/visibilty was good & I was in a decent car I'd only expect 3 points but if I was tail gating/switching lanes/it was raining/low lights etc I'd expect 6 or more.

To be really honest I'd be more pleased that old bill only clocked me @ 97mph & not over a 100 as I think that's an instant ban. (Correct me if I'm wrong)
 
The reason I bring this up is because traditionally it would be up to the officer whether they would issue a FPN, offer a speed awareness course or summons to court, albeit with guidelines. This has now changed and disposal decisions are decided centrally which means the officer no longer had discretion on what to offer. So in my scenario, you would get a summons to court, no ifs or buts. The actual sentence is up to the magistrate though.



Let me guess: someone high up the greasy pole decided too many people were being "let off" and not being sent to court?
 
Keeping left is such a big issue for cops, I dont get what the problem is if somebody wants to drive in the fast lane?

Welcome to OcUK Motors. Guessing you are very new to driving.

When you have done a bit more motorway driving and see the problems this causes you will think back to this comment and think "what a silly sod I was back then"

If you have been driving a long time, well....
 
The reason I bring this up is because traditionally it would be up to the officer whether they would issue a FPN, offer a speed awareness course or summons to court, albeit with guidelines. This has now changed and disposal decisions are decided centrally which means the officer no longer had discretion on what to offer. So in my scenario, you would get a summons to court, no ifs or buts. The actual sentence is up to the magistrate though.
What guidelines will the central decision be based on?
 
For pretty much exactly that I got a court appearance, £250 fine and 4 points. That in itself wasn't so bad, but the cumulative increase on my insurance of about £1000 over the next four years was not so good!

The irony being if I had got an SP30 for doing something like 45mph in a 30 zone (in my eyes much worse) rather than an SP50, the insurance company would most likely not have cared.

In my case the weather was fine, visibility good, and the officer even noticed my lane discipline was good (I had passed several cars).
 
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I assume the traffic officer still has a some input into this. If you were clocked at 97mph he/she could surely just report that you were doing 85mph if they believed you didn't deserve the full punishment a 97mph conviction would give you.

Seems stupid removing the decision from ther person who has pulled you over and can take in the multiple variables before deciding what fine, if any, to pass on to the driver.
 
Welcome to OcUK Motors. Guessing you are very new to driving.

When you have done a bit more motorway driving and see the problems this causes you will think back to this comment and think "what a silly sod I was back then"

If you have been driving a long time, well....

You know in the states the guidelines are to stay as central as possible and pass on both sides. This improves traffic flow and safety. Its definitely much smoother to drive centrally on multi lane motorways, resulting in much fewer lane changes. If i am set on cruise control at 75mph for example, keeping left will result in lane weaving as you pass trucks and slow moving vehicles endlessly. Staying central results in a smooth journey with little manipulation needed. Outside lane people should simply pass on the nearside if a slower vehicle is there.

Of course nobody seems to understand this, favouring the "keep left" nonsense, which results in many lane changes and people getting frustrated with one another.
 
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You know in the states the guidelines are to stay as central as possible and pass on both sides. This improves traffic flow and safety. Its definitely much smoother to drive centrally on multi lane motorways, resulting in much fewer lane changes. If i am set on cruise control at 75mph for example, keeping left will result in lane weaving as you pass trucks and slow moving vehicles endlessly. Staying central results in a smooth journey with little manipulation needed. Outside lane people should simply pass on the nearside if a slower vehicle is there.

Of course nobody seems to understand this, favouring the "keep left" nonsense, which results in many lane changes and people getting frustrated with one another.

Center lane is safest lane.
 
Sounds silly to remove discretion from the traffic cop. 97 in a car capable of doing it on a quiet motorway is safer than then same speed in a clapped out heap on bald tyres weaving in and out of the traffic. A magistrate is a local volunteer with potentially zero driving experience, a traffic copper is trained and they don't put newly qualified ones straight into motorway cars.

I'd expect 3 or 6 points and a fine - assuming license was clean. If there's already points on it, then it is clear that the lesson isn't being learned - so a stiffer fine.

Last time I was done was for 94.98mph on a quiet sunday morning travelling east on the M62. They were very proud of of the 2 digits of accuracy :) That was 3 points and 60 quid fine (in 1997!).
 
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The reason I bring this up is because traditionally it would be up to the officer whether they would issue a FPN, offer a speed awareness course or summons to court, albeit with guidelines. This has now changed and disposal decisions are decided centrally which means the officer no longer had discretion on what to offer. So in my scenario, you would get a summons to court, no ifs or buts. The actual sentence is up to the magistrate though.

There is always discretion to be used, as it just depends what you put down on the ticket.
 

That is common sense. Assuming the poster meant the outside lane when he said 'fast lane' then we are talking about cars that stay in the outside overtaking lane.

There is no problem if the traffic is busy, but when you are on a empty 3 lane motorway and some dipstick in a 1.2 clio is pottering along in the outside lane when the middle and inside lane is quite clear, it can be annoying.

Plus, i am pretty sure the highway codes are there for a reason.

some randomer post said:
The purpose of this lane is simple, to overtake, nothing more and nothing less. If you are in the center lane doing 70 mph and a lorry pulls into your lane doing 65 mph because he is overtaking another lorry traveling at 50 mph, you have the outside lane to move to so you may maintain your speed at 70 mph until it is safe to move back to the center lane. The outside lane is NOT just another lane to drive in, and it is very important to leave this lane free specifically for overtaking. It is actually illegal to Undertake a car (that is to pass a vehicle from the left hand side) so by driving slowly in the outside lane, you would be forcing other drivers to break the law, should they wish to pass you.

Pretty much sums it up.

Those selfish little puny engined drivers slowing me down when i have the cruise stuck at 97mph :p
 
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Regarding undertaking, if some plebian is in the outside lane doing say, 65mph, and you're in the middle doing 72 (my speedo is 2mph out :D:D) would you slow down, and pull into the outside lane, or just creep past in the middle?
 
Do you know what guidelines they will be basing central decisions on?

I assume doing 80 odd is still fine otherwise 90% of drivers on the motorway will be fined.
 
Do you know what guidelines they will be basing central decisions on?

I assume doing 80 odd is still fine otherwise 90% of drivers on the motorway will be fined.

1.1.6. The thresholds under which the courses will operate have been laid
down by ACPO and are at the prosecution threshold of 10% +2 mph to
a maximum of 10% +9 mph over the statutory limit. However it is a
bandwidth within which a police force may consider diverting an offender
and this does not remove local decision-making using the attendant
circumstances which may well warrant an alternative method of disposal,
such as taking no further action, a warning letter, conditional offer a
fixed penalty, or summons.
 
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