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silverpaw · 5 Apr 2003 at 22:42

Originally posted by dirtydog
1988 I believe. When they got caught in the crossfire between Iran and Iraq's armies who were attacking each other with poison gas. That's how the Kurds in Halabja died.

No it's not. 60 000 people don't get "caught in the crossfire".

dirtydog · 5 Apr 2003 at 22:42

Originally posted by silverpaw
No it's not. 60 000 people don't get "caught in the crossfire".

60,000 died at Halabja? Where did you get that figure from?

Sleepy · 5 Apr 2003 at 22:48

Originally posted by Custor
Executing people 1985 previous post. USA has death penalty too. Go look it up. Lethal injection obviously more humane than being shot.

Yeah cos comparing the gassing of a whole town, man woman and child, with the end result of a long and expensive legal process. What a great comparison :rolleyes:

silverpaw · 5 Apr 2003 at 22:49

Originally posted by dirtydog
60,000 died at Halabja? Where did you get that figure from?

The figure was a round about one, most sources reckon many more... that's not for Al Halabja itself, but Kurdish people attacked by the Iraqi regime.

The french government: http://usinfo.state.gov/francais/irak/crimes/homepage.htm
German government: http://www.gfbv.de/voelker/nahost/pog_irak_chronik.htm
The Guardian: http://www.guardian.co.uk/Print/0,3858,4559059,00.html

chemical weapons attack on the town of Halabja killed 5,000 civilians and injured 10,000 more

I don't see that many being killed in crossfire really.

Custor · 5 Apr 2003 at 22:50

Originally posted by Sleepy
Yeah cos comparing the gassing of a whole town, man woman and child, with the end result of a long and expensive legal process. What a great comparison

Execution BBC story sleepy. That is what silverpaw quoted. Not halabja.

60,000 killed in cival war becuase they were fighting with the Iranians. Small fry as cival wars go. Lucky the Iraqis didn't force them all over boder to Iran.

silverpaw · 5 Apr 2003 at 22:53

Originally posted by Custor
Execution BBC story sleepy. That is what silverpaw quoted. Not halabja.

60,000 killed in cival war becuase they were fighting with the Iranians. Small fry as cival wars go.

I don't think the US execute people 200 at a sitting and then load them into boxes for storage.

Custor · 5 Apr 2003 at 22:57

Originally posted by silverpaw
I don't think the US execute people 200 at a sitting and then load them into boxes for storage.

As there are 200 in total then 'at a sitting' is your embellishment. They still date from 1985. A time of war. maybe the number of men given the death penalty may go up in time of war. What you think?

Well stick this with the continuation of gassing people quote.

Oh btw there have been 800 people executed in the US since 1985.

silverpaw · 5 Apr 2003 at 23:02

British troops found a warehouse with rows of cardboard coffins full of human remains stacked five deep.

There was also a book which appeared to contain a handwritten list of the dead.

...
A reporter from the PA news agency at the scene described what appeared to be a "purpose-built shooting gallery" outside.

A tiled plinth, about a foot high, stood in a courtyard and the brickwork behind it was riddled with bullets.

Sleepy · 5 Apr 2003 at 23:06

Originally posted by Custor
Oh btw there have been 800 people executed in the US since 1985.

Are you equating the US penal system with the Iraqi one? :rolleyes:

dirtydog · 5 Apr 2003 at 23:07

Nobody's saying Saddam is a nice chap who you'd take home to meet your parents..

But the way some people talk, you'd think he regularly gassed thousands of civilians just because he felt like it.. when in fact he hasn't done it since 1988 and even that was probably not deliberate. But even if it was, it's no worse than Churchill ordered when he was in power. (the 'greatest ever Briton' lol :rolleyes:

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Custor · 5 Apr 2003 at 23:10

Originally posted by Sleepy
Are you equating the US penal system with the Iraqi one?

No the US legal system is above reproach.
You could probaby tell me all about the two?

silverpaw · 5 Apr 2003 at 23:13

Custor are you an Iraqi? a Hussein follower? you certainly come across that way.

Sleepy · 5 Apr 2003 at 23:14

Originally posted by Custor
No the US legal system is above reproach.

No its not but that does not mean its all bad. I know which jurisdiction I'd rather be tried under.

silverpaw · 5 Apr 2003 at 23:15

Originally posted by Sleepy
No its not but that does not mean its all bad. I know under which jurisdiction I'd rather be tried under.

I don't think you'd be tried in Iraq at all actually.

Custor · 5 Apr 2003 at 23:16

Originally posted by silverpaw
I don't think you'd be tried in Iraq at all actually.

Or if you were captured/arrested in Afganistan/Pakistan.

Not difficult to sound Iraqi is it. Apply same standards to ourselves as we expect of the enemy.

silverpaw · 5 Apr 2003 at 23:20

Originally posted by Custor
Or if you were captured in Afgansistan.

You're a troll, plain and simple. You know very well I've argued against the American treatment of prisoners in Guantanamo bay, I'm not going to defend that treatment, but it doesn't cancel out the Iraqi regime's behaviour at all. The torture and murder by the Iraqi regime far outstrips faults in US law enforcement, how you can not only deny that but defend the regime beyond me.

Sleepy · 5 Apr 2003 at 23:22

Originally posted by silverpaw
I don't think you'd be tried in Iraq at all actually.

So true, but not for much longer.

Custor · 5 Apr 2003 at 23:27

Originally posted by silverpaw
You're a troll, plain and simple. You know very well I've argued against the American treatment of prisoners in Guantanamo bay, I'm not going to defend that treatment, but it doesn't cancel out the Iraqi regime's behaviour at all. The torture and murder by the Iraqi regime far outstrips faults in US law enforcement, how you can not only deny that but defend the regime beyond me.

Sticks head in sand. Three wise monkeys could take some lessons from this thread.

If the US suspected you of being a terrorist then you'd get no trial.
If the Iraqis suspected you of being a kurdish rebel you'd get no trial.
Take your choice and feel smug about the superiority of the US legal system.

silverpaw · 5 Apr 2003 at 23:37

lmao, the US probably do think I'm a terrorist, I've just spent the past few days researching the massacre of over a thousand Somalians in Mogadishu, I'm no friend of the US and I'm not going to defend them on issues I think wrong. Military action in Iraq however is right.

dirtydog · 5 Apr 2003 at 23:46

Originally posted by silverpaw
lmao, the US probably do think I'm a terrorist, I've just spent the past few days researching the massacre of over a thousand Somalians in Mogadishu, I'm no friend of the US and I'm not going to defend them on issues I think wrong. Military action in Iraq however is right.

If you're interested in issues of that nature I can recommend the book 'Rogue State'..

http://www.americanstateterrorism.com/ChronologyofTerror.html#Somalia93