State Funded Slimming Classes

Well that is what it is designed for. Fat tax payers have to pay for slimming classes, so they propose fat non-tax payers (ie, dole burdens) get it free.

Where does it say in any of the news articles that this scheme is only for people who are on the dole?

Just because someone is on the dole doesn't mean they've never paid tax.

Try again.

I'm not demonising fat people, perhaps fat people are just being very defensive. "Oh no, you called me fat, I'm offended!" whilst stuffing face with cake.

Perhaps you should learn social skills instead of being an ******* towards people.
 
Lots of assumptions and words put in my figurative mouth there. So no, I didn't suggest or proclaim any of those things. I said, if you are obese, you should be held responsible for your wreckless lifestyle by paying extra towards your inevitable health bill, just as heavy smokers and drinkers do.

Most "junk" food attracts VAT whilst generally food doesn't. It could be argued that they are therefore already paying more tax.
 
Slimming classes only work if the person wants to lose weight, you still have to make effort as it doesn't magically just drop off. People are just lazy and are happy being fat so I doubt it would work for many anyway.

A person that has gone to their doctor for assistance in losing weight is probably someone that does want to lose weight.
 
Most "junk" food attracts VAT whilst generally food doesn't. It could be argued that they are therefore already paying more tax.

True. It would be difficult to quantify healthier meals. Maybe the higher the sugar content, or saturated fat content, the higher the duty.

A person that has gone to their doctor for assistance in losing weight is probably someone that does want to lose weight.

What about a person who has gone to their doctor with a weight related disorder, and not specifically about losing weight?
 
If it saves more money than it costs then it is a good scheme. If it doesn't then it will be stopped or never make it to reality.

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I'm going to enter this thread with a bit about me and my experiences. I realise this is going to open me up to a heap of abuse from the anti-fat crowd - I'm not particularly concerned.

I'm fat, I've always been fat or considered myself to be, although this hasnt always been the case. My being fat probably stems to a god awful diet when I was a child and an inability to break away from that awful food for long periods of time.

I currently weigh 19 stone, down from 20.3 stone at the start of the year, but I'm still fat enough that I should be walking around on 4 legs and mooing. I understand this, I live with this fact every day of my life, from waking up in the morning to when I head off to bed at night. My being fat has a profound impact on my life - I'm borderline diabetic, I suffer from OSA (I know this, although it has not been diagnosed, as the cure is not being fat and I dont want to waste a doctors time to have him tell me something I already know.)

I'm currently entering my second attempt at shedding some mass this year. My first attempt started just after Christmas 2013, where I decided to increase the amount of exercise I did, and keep an eye on, but not really control the amount of calories I was taking in. For a while, it worked, it was a stupid idea, but it worked. I walked for 3 hours a day, I ate 3000 calories a day, and weight was still coming off. However, lets be realistic here - walking 3 hours a day gets pretty dull pretty quickly and that soon tapered off. I dropped to walking only when needed, still 3-4 miles a day as a minimum, but the eating didn't change and as expected the weight came back. I should mention here I work in an office role which really does not help.

Between the last "diet" and this one I kept the walking up, my fitness is without a doubt better than it was at the start of the year. Don't get me wrong, I'm not going to be running any marathons and I still end up sweating like a rapist after a 30 minute brisk walk but I also know that I can clock up an 8 mile walk without dropping dead. This time, I'm controlling the amount of calories I take in, its early days yet - how long will I stick to it? I honestly don't know. Right now I'd say that I'll see it through till I'm down to the 13 stone mark, but I've made promises like that before.

The interesting thing for me is how I got to 20 stone. I said I always had a bad diet, even as a kid, and that is the major contributing factor - but despite always feeling fat, I've never always been fat.

At 18 years of age I weighed in at 16 stone. By 19 I was 12 stone. By 21 I was 9 stone 8lbs - and I still hated myself and felt like I was fat. I look at the pictures of me at 21 and I look gaunt and almost skeletal - I'm a bit over 6ft tall and I have a large frame. At 21 I was size 28 waist, I hated being that BIG - Yes, I thought a 28 waist was big.

21-23 were good years - despite the self loathing I felt for myself I had a decent social life, I had an active job and I was enjoying myself for the most part. By 23 I was 12 stone, again a perfectly healthy weight for a guy of my build to be, I hated it, it was traumatic having put that weight back - despite absolutely everybody telling me that I looked a lot better and healthier - in my head there was the constant fear of the fat coming back, eventually the fear broke me and it did come back, 16.5 stone - my friends teased me saying "Fat Chris" was back. I spent 18 miserable months around that weight before a friend from work (who I freely admit I wanted to tap) offered to help me lose some weight, she was training to be a dietician so I was the perfect project for her and it was beneficial to me.

The next year was the only time in my life I spent eating properly and exercising properly at the same time. I went from 16.5 back down to 12.5 - I signed up for a 10 day charity walk along the Great Wall of China. Again I never felt comfortable in my own skin, always felt like a disgusting whale, but I was generally happier and life was better. I met the woman who within 4 years would become my wife and things were rosey.

Once I moved in with my other half I let myself go somewhat - this is pretty much a global phenomenon according to every friend I have ever spoken to about the subject says that this generally happens once you settle down. You don't need to go to as much effort to impress anymore so you don't have the same drive, you're also not in complete control of every meal and you have less free time. I went up to 14 stone, probably 10-15 pounds over where I should be, but I'd say within acceptable norms for somebody around 27.

Friday, March 20th 2009 - my dad died. Now everybody I know tells me this is what broke me and why I am what I am now. I think its probably just a convenient excuse - but then again I've always been hard on myself. I maintained weight until I got married in September 2009, by Christmas 2009 I was up 15.5 stone.

January 2010 I started my first ever office job - no longer was I a smooth talking salesman running around the shop floor like a blue-assed fly, I was sat in a desk for 10+ hours a day. I was married so there wasn't anything exciting to look forward to, the wife was pregnant so she was getting fat too. By 2012 I was 20 stone, and for the next 2 and half years I've hovered around there. I'm approaching 32, I should be in the final years of my prime - and I'm letting that slip by far too quickly.

I know what foods to eat, I know how to exercise, I absolutely hate the look of my blubber in the mirror, I hate not being able to do things that my friends do because I'm too much of a fat mess to do it - yet for the past 2 years if I've had a tough day I'd grab a kebab on the way home, because hey, why not?!

There a lot of people in this thread that have never been fat - great for you, you probably have far more willpower than I do, or less emotional baggage from growing up fat, whatever - and I truly hope you never have to feel about yourself the way I do every damn day and at the same time feel so powerless to change something that should be so easy to change.

For all the funny people who want to mock me, call me a whale, whatever - you're not saying anything that I haven't thought about myself. Fatties might be an easy target for your putdowns, but you're probably wasting your time as you're not saying anything we've not said about ourselves before. In my case all you would be doing is driving me towards my next doughnut - effectively compounding the problem you hate so much.

Anyway, dont know what that is, some kind of emo ramble, just felt like I needed to say it.

Fingers crossed this time the weight comes off and it stays off eh?

Peace.
 
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If that was the case then there wouldn't be any point in applying for those state funded exercise classes :confused:

That was my point as to why it probably wouldn't work.

I go to Slimming World and half the people who are paying to be there cant even be bothered to stick to the plan so what will the freeloaders be like.
 
Education about the subject is only 1 part which will help people overcome obesity, there is also other factors which contribute too.

Educating people on macros would be a good start, I cannot count how many times I've heard people around me saying "It's low in fat" as if that matters, the population has been brainwashed into believing fat makes you fat, "Oh, I can eat this because it's low in fat", not realising they're ingesting a crap tonne of sugars in place of the fat content, this really needs to stop.

Next is pure convenience, how many people really WANT to prepare a meal, instead of just chuck something in the microwave and be done with it? Or even pop down the chippy and get a quick bite to eat? I absolutely hate preparing my food, it's monotonous, but I do it because it needs to be done, I've programmed myself into doing it, and that for a meal which doesn't particularly taste that nice either. Is it really hard to see why people don't want to? The thing is, as soon as you make healthier foods more convenient, companies ramp up the price, which is why people say "It costs too much", when in reality it's cheaper.

Next is comfort, people in England are so ****ing miserable they want to take comfort in something, and for a lot of people, it's food. It's completely understandable, I went through a grievance and my main source of comfort during that time was food, it'll likely be the same for a lot of other people, doing their poor 9-5 jobs everyday, come home miserable because they hate work, and just snack.


There will be more factors than those, but those are what I believe to be the main ones, so if we go beyond education about food, how do we fix the convenience of junk food and lack of convenience (Or convenience with a higher price point), and the comfort eating? Is there an easy way? I don't believe so.

Maybe if we started to increase the quality of life for people in the UK, people wouldn't comfort eat at much, and would eventually start to get healthier. But no-one cares about the lowest of the low.
 
I'm going to enter this thread with a bit about me and my experiences.
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Good post Rids. Good post. I feel for you, and you have highlighted some of the many things that those who have never been fat seem not to understand.

Best of luck with the weight loss this time around - you know yourself it's possible, and it sounds to me like this time you'll succeed.
 
Great post Rids, hope it works out for you.

That's what a lot of people don't seem to understand. It's not as simple as just being greedy though that is a part of it.

I was slim up until around when I was in my teens, my parents split up and I had to make the difficult decision of who to move in with, there were a lot of emotional games being played, each side telling me horrible nasty things about the other side, my mother took my lifelong cat hoping it would sway my mind and eventually had it put down without even giving me chance to say goodbye.

Over the next 10 years or so I have been ballooning up in weight, several family members died, my gran who I was carer for died, I lost my job, most recently my father tried to commit suicide over something so ridiculous and I was the one that had to deal with it all. It's always been one thing after another, I don't know if they are excuses or genuine triggers, I seek comfort in food.

I've almost resigned myself to my fate now, I'm only 32 but I don't have the strength or the will power to change, I've had a couple of feeble attempts to go on a diet and I am too heavy to use gym equipment.

Other than going to work it's gotten to the point where I daren't go outside because people laugh and stare, or at least I think they do in my head.

All you anti-fat people need to stop and think before you go judging people, there is more to it than just stuffing your face.
 
Great post Rids, hope it works out for you.

That's what a lot of people don't seem to understand. It's not as simple as just being greedy though that is a part of it.

I was slim up until around when I was in my teens, my parents split up and I had to make the difficult decision of who to move in with, there were a lot of emotional games being played, each side telling me horrible nasty things about the other side, my mother took my lifelong cat hoping it would sway my mind and eventually had it put down without even giving me chance to say goodbye.

Over the next 10 years or so I have been ballooning up in weight, several family members died, my gran who I was carer for died, I lost my job, most recently my father tried to commit suicide over something so ridiculous and I was the one that had to deal with it all. It's always been one thing after another, I don't know if they are excuses or genuine triggers, I seek comfort in food.

I've almost resigned myself to my fate now, I'm only 32 but I don't have the strength or the will power to change, I've had a couple of feeble attempts to go on a diet and I am too heavy to use gym equipment.

Other than going to work it's gotten to the point where I daren't go outside because people laugh and stare, or at least I think they do in my head.

All you anti-fat people need to stop and think before you go judging people, there is more to it than just stuffing your face.
Indeed.

It's a shame people don't fully appreciate the complexity of the behaviour which underpins multiple aspects attributed with weight gain.

Depression leads to a lack of motivation, this makes getting out of the situation significantly harder - comfort eating is another aspects which further exasperates the problem, then you have the cumulative depression related to being over-weight (the more a person puts on, the more depressed they are - the harder they find it to gain the motivation required to do something about it).

My advice?, try to formulate a plan which takes into account any lacks of motivation or self-control.

When we plan for things in life to fix situations which have gone astray, we seem to think we are perfect beings with impeccable self-control - which ironically if it was true, we wouldn't be in that situation to begin with.

If you know you have poor self control, reduce the potential for temptation - don't go shopping when hungry (eat a well balanced meal before hand), this makes it easier to not have the kind of foods detrimental to a diet in the house.

Make the healthy options easier than the unhealthy ones - if you have fruit/vegetables in the house - find a few satiating & desirable meals which take the least amount of effort to make.

Pre-commit with a friend, motivation shared is often doubled - while it's hard to keep a promise to ourselves, for many it's much easier when your keeping it with a friend - make plans with others you have to stick to.

Use pre-commitment as a way of going to & sticking to a gym - use free weights (no need to use machinery & anybody can use them).

Once you start to see the fruits of your work that will drive the motivation further - essentially you have to trick yourself into learning good habits.
 
I've almost resigned myself to my fate now, I'm only 32 but I don't have the strength or the will power to change, I've had a couple of feeble attempts to go on a diet and I am too heavy to use gym equipment.

Not to ignore the rest of your post, but just wanted to comment on this bit, in case it's helpful for you or anyone else...

You don't have to go to the gym to exercise.

Exercise DVDs are superb for exercising at home, and a basic set of adjustable free weights is pretty cheap if you want or need them (some exercise DVDs use them, but you don't need an expensive set, they don't have to weigh a great deal). You don't need to commit a lot of time - most exercise DVDs are about half an hour of relatively intensive work, and you're done.

And the best thing? Your living room doesn't have a monthly subscription, doesn't get full at peak times, and isn't full of idiots with muscle-for-brains who think that grunting like female tennis players means they're working hard.

Gyms are great if you want to be a bodybuilder; you don't need one for cardiovascular exercise :)
 
It bugs me when people say i weight XX stone/pounds when what you hould be looking at is your fat percentage.

The secret to losing weight = Burn more calories than you consume
 
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