Steam - Do people still hate it?
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its a load of crap, as someone said, it takes up hd space, memory and ive never lost a game case in my life, i consider you an idiot if you've lost a case in your own home. steam is just useless bulk clogging up my pc, leaving them in controll, like when steam went down i couldnt play hl2 sp!!!! i cant think of anything more ridiculous.
I disliked it at first, because it was required in order to use HL2, and at the time I was at a university which blocked all the ports which steam uses. I had to use an HTTP tunnel program at 5kb/s max to do the downloads and updates etc, and to launch steam to use HL2.
For the most part, now, it's okay. I can't play original HL2 any more though through my account (dispite being able to play ep1 / HL2 deathmatch etc), and also recently it decided to max out my upload constantly when launched (only lasted for 2 days though before valve updated it again).
For the most part, now, it's okay. I can't play original HL2 any more though through my account (dispite being able to play ep1 / HL2 deathmatch etc), and also recently it decided to max out my upload constantly when launched (only lasted for 2 days though before valve updated it again).
I've not got a Steam account, so can't talk from personal experience.
Things that put me off Steam is you can buy many games pretty cheaply in retail, as mentioned earlier in this thread. It's only due to the exchange rate that Steam can compete. But unlike the retail pack, you can't sell the game on second hand as the product key is linked to the Steam account.
Also it gives too much power to Valve, which might be OK for multiplayer games, but for me who just wants to play single player it seems obtrusive. A shame really as I'd like to play Half-Life 2, but just don't want the hassle of Steam.
Things that put me off Steam is you can buy many games pretty cheaply in retail, as mentioned earlier in this thread. It's only due to the exchange rate that Steam can compete. But unlike the retail pack, you can't sell the game on second hand as the product key is linked to the Steam account.
Also it gives too much power to Valve, which might be OK for multiplayer games, but for me who just wants to play single player it seems obtrusive. A shame really as I'd like to play Half-Life 2, but just don't want the hassle of Steam.
the single player arguement is pretty valid, aswell as the ports being blocked etc being an annoyance. Other than that its good, id rather the devs get all the money than publisher take the cut, although valve are taking a cut of other peoples cake now lol. The free weekends is a great idea, and i always lose cd keys, i cant find my wc3 or starcraft ones now 
it winds me up how sometimes it wont launch though, due to some annoying malware that just wont budge, but i think if i click a steam-game desktop item it loads all the time, fingers crossed anyways.
Its a good idea, just obv needs to sort out the fuss with singleplayer stuff, but doubt they ever will because its such a small percentage of people with any problem with it.
it winds me up how sometimes it wont launch though, due to some annoying malware that just wont budge, but i think if i click a steam-game desktop item it loads all the time, fingers crossed anyways. Its a good idea, just obv needs to sort out the fuss with singleplayer stuff, but doubt they ever will because its such a small percentage of people with any problem with it.
I lost my Half Life 2 DVD and normally I would have had to go out and buy it again - but with Steam I just loged in and reinstalled HL2. Fantastic.
I don't agree with the prices though. I do feel they should be a little cheaper, but it's pretty useful and nice. It's not as bad as what I thought it would be like when I first read about it.
I like taking part in the suverys and reading what the other users hardware is.
I also like the various offers that they offer and be able to download various addons for free.
However, for single player I would have liked the oppurtunity to load HL2 without Steam.
I don't agree with the prices though. I do feel they should be a little cheaper, but it's pretty useful and nice. It's not as bad as what I thought it would be like when I first read about it.
I like taking part in the suverys and reading what the other users hardware is.
I also like the various offers that they offer and be able to download various addons for free.
However, for single player I would have liked the oppurtunity to load HL2 without Steam.
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Tute said:
i would get on with steam more if it just let me play the games i have whe i want to. even with all update and online options disabled the damn thing makes you wait while it checks and updates itself and again when it checks and updates the game you have requested.
there hasn't been a hl2 update in a age but every time i try to load up it always has to check something to waste a bit more of my day.
there hasn't been a hl2 update in a age but every time i try to load up it always has to check something to waste a bit more of my day.
Sorry but I just have to extend a huge " 
" to all of you who say it's convenient because you can download the games rather than looking for the disk.
How on Earth do you manage with the other millions of games on the market?
And also, installing from a CD/DVD will always be a significant amount faster than any internet connection. And you're not relying on your ISP or Valve to provide a fast service.
Sorry, but it's not a valid reason in favour of Steam.
" to all of you who say it's convenient because you can download the games rather than looking for the disk.How on Earth do you manage with the other millions of games on the market?
And also, installing from a CD/DVD will always be a significant amount faster than any internet connection. And you're not relying on your ISP or Valve to provide a fast service.
Sorry, but it's not a valid reason in favour of Steam.
yes it is, cd swapping is so annoying. And sometimes people LOSE discs, as in completely cannot find them, some of us have a lot of stuff, and a lot of places to lose things, aswell as more than one residence. Plus it can be easier to download something, aswell as faster than to go and buy it from the shops.
Discs break, a lot more frequently than steam aswell for me.
How about my new arguement, I hate having to install a game then download a mini-image which takes up a hefty bit of HD room, having steam actually means i use less HD room. And stops me having my cd drive spin up for those starforce games, VRRRRRRROOOOMMMMM RATTLE RATTLE.
Steam has downsides, and upsides, the majority embrace it and it suites them great because it solves a lot of their problems, without causing any major new ones. The minority spit out their dummys over what the rest of us see as being somewhat small problems, or problems that only affect a minority of people.
Discs break, a lot more frequently than steam aswell for me.
How about my new arguement, I hate having to install a game then download a mini-image which takes up a hefty bit of HD room, having steam actually means i use less HD room. And stops me having my cd drive spin up for those starforce games, VRRRRRRROOOOMMMMM RATTLE RATTLE.
Steam has downsides, and upsides, the majority embrace it and it suites them great because it solves a lot of their problems, without causing any major new ones. The minority spit out their dummys over what the rest of us see as being somewhat small problems, or problems that only affect a minority of people.
I think it's a great idea. Needs some improvement, but generally it's pretty good. I've certainly never had a major problem with it. In fact thinking about it, all problems are mainly related to the games themselves rather than Steam.
The only reasons I can see for people to dislike it are:
1) You can't resell your games
2) The offline mode is not so great
3) The prices on the Steam shop are expensive
In my opinion if you don't like it for any other reason than that then your rather strange. And I'd bet your the kind that doesn't like Microsoft either.
It takes up hard drive space? Yea like 30mb or something stupid. What's your point?
It uses system resources ? Well correct me if I'm wrong, but the resources are there to be used. I only have Steam open when I'm in a game, but I've just started it up now and it's using between 4mb and 7mb of memory and 0% CPU sitting in my notification area. Yea, talk about huge resource hog there.
The good things going for it are:
So when it's all said and done, there are a lot more advantages than disadvantages so I don't see a problem!
Oh and for the record, you won't get banned from a game unless you were cheating
The only reasons I can see for people to dislike it are:
1) You can't resell your games
2) The offline mode is not so great
3) The prices on the Steam shop are expensive
In my opinion if you don't like it for any other reason than that then your rather strange. And I'd bet your the kind that doesn't like Microsoft either.
It takes up hard drive space? Yea like 30mb or something stupid. What's your point?
It uses system resources ? Well correct me if I'm wrong, but the resources are there to be used. I only have Steam open when I'm in a game, but I've just started it up now and it's using between 4mb and 7mb of memory and 0% CPU sitting in my notification area. Yea, talk about huge resource hog there.
The good things going for it are:
- Keeps games in one place
- Makes them much easier to patch
- Don't have to find DVDs every time you want to play a game
- Lets you download games if DVD missing etc
- Lets you buy games and download without waiting for post
- Easily gives free/demo game play and buddy passes
- It's stupidly easy to use
- VAC2 is one of the best anti-cheats around, much better than pb
- More probably that I can't think of right now...
So when it's all said and done, there are a lot more advantages than disadvantages so I don't see a problem!
Oh and for the record, you won't get banned from a game unless you were cheating
i didnt like it back when it just came out, i thought it was a pain to install games were slow downloading.
but after a month of it being released i actually seen a lot of differences, my 512kbps connection was getting 65kbps constantly which was far better than any other download service, loosing game disks didnt really bother me as i just had to remember my password, very easy to update games without searching all over the net and when they were updated they downloaded fast, and made piracy go down for a bit which is one of the main reason they sell other games then made by valve on their, very good idea and implemented very well.
but after a month of it being released i actually seen a lot of differences, my 512kbps connection was getting 65kbps constantly which was far better than any other download service, loosing game disks didnt really bother me as i just had to remember my password, very easy to update games without searching all over the net and when they were updated they downloaded fast, and made piracy go down for a bit which is one of the main reason they sell other games then made by valve on their, very good idea and implemented very well.
dbmzk1 said:
Nope, I don't mind Microsoft personally.
dbmzk1 said:
It's 30MB or "something stupid" that could be better used if you weren't forced to install the stupid thing.
dbmzk1 said:
Still goes back to what I said above. It's resources that are unnecessarily used. What if you don't use the functions of Steam?
dbmzk1 said:
It's no easier than if you patch manually. Plus when you patch manually, you can choose when to patch. Steam forces you to update to play the game.
If you don't want to use CDs, crack the game. It's what I do to ALL my games. I don't use a single CD either.
And about the download feature, if you don't want to wait, go into town and buy it yourself. Of course this depends how far you live from town but i'd go as far as to bet it would take you just as long to buy the game and install it as it would to download and install.
VAC2, like all anti-cheats, is tremendously flawed. And guess what, if Valve think you "might" be cheating, they can render, in some cases, hundreds of pounds of games useless. It's no more than glorified theft.
dbmzk1 said:Oh and for the record, you won't get banned from a game unless you were cheating
Oh yes you will. No offence, but have you been living under a rock or something?
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Tute said:Sorry but I just have to extend a huge "
How on Earth do you manage with the other millions of games on the market?
And also, installing from a CD/DVD will always be a significant amount faster than any internet connection. And you're not relying on your ISP or Valve to provide a fast service.
Sorry, but it's not a valid reason in favour of Steam.
It is a perfectly valid reason to favor Steam.
Tute said:
Apart from the fact that I don't need to actually go into town, then there's the chance the game you want might be onsale anywhere, the extra cost to actually get into town.
And cracking games potentially stops you from playing online aswell. Honestly can't think of a single time I never wanted to have the latest patch running. And honestly, 30MB install and resources, come on that's just a pathetic reason against Steam. Oh noes, I'm having to use 30MB out of my 200GB drive for Steam
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It is when it's 30MB and resources for a program like Steam.
I can maybe concede that it's useful a tiny tiny bit if you play predominantly multiplayer.
But for single player gamers it's just useless and unnecessary. Bloatware in fact.
I can maybe concede that it's useful a tiny tiny bit if you play predominantly multiplayer.
But for single player gamers it's just useless and unnecessary. Bloatware in fact.