Step son in motorbike crash

Zefan said:
I don't see how slowly she edged out would make a difference, she was going to be obstructing his path in either case.
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Lol, are you serious?
You can't see/tell the difference between someone slowly appearing from around a corner as you approach it and someone suddenly jumping out at you?
This is essenitally the same difference with the accident?
He clearly shouldn't have been travelling at 30-35mph. She absolutely should NOT have just pulled out without edging out.
Again, she may not be able to see, but it gives any oncoming bike/motorbike the chance to see her and brake/avoid.
 
Zefan said:
:edit: It's like saying I can drive down a street with cars parked either side at 40mph then claim it was a child's fault for running out between the parked cars and getting hit by my car. It was my responsibility to slow down as I could not anticipate hazards.
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Dude, its nothing like that. Come on....see sense.
 
fornowagain said:
There's two basic faults. The driver shouldn't attempt to impinge on the right of way fom a side road before making sure the way is clear, which she couldn't have done safely with the van there. And the rider shouldn't have overtaken a junction at speed, especially if he couldn't see if it was clear.
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Agree with this.
 
Zefan said:
You're not getting it... because of the van obstructing his view he wouldn't have been able to see her before she was already totally in his way. I'm not sure what you're not getting about that :p
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Regardless of what vehicle was blocking their view he'd still see the front end of her car had she edged out slowly. She wouldn't be totally in his way, no where near in fact. How much of the front end of her car he saw would have depended on how fast/slow she edged out.
If she pulled out fast it would effectively like the whole car suddenly just appeard in front of him, leaving him with no options to avoid it.
Seeing her bumper slowly peeking out from in front of the van, then her bonnet etc would have given him a chance at least.
How is it that you're not getting that? Whatever was blocking their view is irrelevant, edging out would have given him a chance. And more chance would have come had he been riding slower for sure.
50:50 imho but i can't see how you think it wouldn't have made a difference.

Its an interesting debate, and even though there are disagreements i hope we can all keep it from becoming a flamefest.
 
[TW]Fox;21996151 said:
With a Siren and a Class 1 police rider not an 18 year old?

Yea, totally the same outcome I would imagine.
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Lol, not sure if you're being serious or sarcastic fox, but i would imagine it would have been the same, seeing as the woman pulled straight out without warning to the rider. Barring the blaring siren of course. :p
 
Liampope, that was a really informative read mate thanks.
It does indeed seem that Peter may well have been in the wrong, almost completely.
Whilst i still can't fully agree with the fact that she can pull out and 'hope for the best' when natural caution would prevent me from doing so, i'd still edge out, it does seem like the law will be on her side.
That's fair enough, your example of Farley v Buckley is almost identical to what happened on this occasion so if her solicitors dig that up he's screwed, lol.

Thanks again, excellent read. :)
 
desires said:
All in all though the van is a nob that shouldn't have been reversing to make way. People that go out of their way to give up their right of way cause so many accidents. You see it all the time people stopping to let someone out and then getting rear-ended because they were doing something that isn't normal practise on the roads. People coming up to a junction to turn but letting the car out in front of them only for the driver coming out to be flumuxed and pull out into the path of other traffic.
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I understand what you're saying mate, but i've kind of done this quite a few times. If i let someone out of a junction i tend to check all my mirrors to see if its safe to let them out. I've even beckoned them on with hand signals when they can't see beyond my vehicle, but most have ignored me and chosen to edge out and look for themselves. This was where i feel the driver didn't exercise proper caution. I don't know if the van driver beckoned her out, but she just drove out anyway. If it were me i'd have definitely been very cautious.
 
Update:
its in the hands of the insurance right now. As for Peter, well we have to ring hte hospital at 6am every morning to see if they have a bed available to do the operation. Nothing so sar. UN-*******-BELIEVABLE!!!!!
They cast his wrist in a perculiar way, but now the swelling has gone down there is loads of movement so the cast is useless.
He was originally a "high priority". Now we understand that emergencies take precedence, but seriously 5 days waiting for an op that requires pins and plates? The bone will likely be knitting together the wrong way (this happened to me 20 years ago and i have a permanent lump on my hand).
I wonder how many on the surgey list are non-priority but private so they get preference.
Bloody NHS...wonderful aint it!!!??
 
Update:
its in the hands of the insurance right now. As for Peter, well we have to ring the hospital at 6am every morning to see if they have a bed available to do the operation. Nothing so sar. UN-*******-BELIEVABLE!!!!!
They cast his wrist in a perculiar way (position), but now the swelling has gone down there is loads of movement so the cast is useless.
He was originally a "high priority". Now we understand that emergencies take precedence, but seriously 5 days waiting for an op that requires pins and plates? The bone will likely be knitting together the wrong way (this happened to me 20 years ago and i have a permanent lump on my hand) and possibly cause more complications.
I wonder how many on the daily surgery list are non-priority but private so they get preference.
Bloody NHS...wonderful aint it!!!??
 
The mrs just rang the hospital and kicked off a little (which isn't like her). They said he'll be having his op tmorrow. Peter is not convinced, lol.
 
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