Steve Jobs has died. What effect, if any, will it have on Apple and the tech industry?

Amp34 said:
Not really... Windows 7 was optimised massively for tablets and that was released way before the iPad. Rumors around at around that time were that windows 8 was going to be even more tablet optimised.

And what was the first mobile of the modern OS to be used on a Tablet? That would be Android... With tablets announced and demonstrated a month before the iPad was announced (in fact before the conference was even announced)...

As I said Apple are masters of "just in time" technology. Getting there just after the market opens up with their version, then the marketing and knowledge that there are several million guarenteed sales (to certain apple faithful who will buy almost anything they make). That alongside a nicely smooth and generally user friendly product (even if it is missing features at first release) meant they got the dominant position at the start of the race. Subsequently though they will then (generally) be overtaken in market share by other companies as the product becomes more mainstream (read cheap) and budget brands start selling tons of products. There is still space for the premium products however (such as high end HTC's, Samsungs, Sonys and Apples).
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One thing you have pointed out is that windows is optimised for tablets, optimised being the key word. Not designed for. The whole OS is designed maintain for desktop use with mouse and keyboard. That association also had many draw backs such as CPU power, RAM and actual power usage. The iPad can last 10 hours, a windows based tablet would be impressive if it can do half of that.

I was watching an interview with jobs last night on YouTube, basically how they would identify what is the next big thing and do those projects. Each tech had it's own spring, summer, autumn and winter. They would get on the tech that has the best vectors for growth and push for those. His genius was to see it and most importantly apply it better than most. There may be others who has spotted the trend but they don't execute it the same.
 
D.P. said:
I'm pretty sure there were no real bagless cyclone vacuum cleaners before the Dyson models, that was innovation.

Not many Apple products have the same level of innovation. There is innovation in making simpler more robust and more ergonomic designs, and also innovation in marketing, but not in the technology itself. Apple make solid designs that appeal to many, full stop.
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This is absolutely what I was thinking. Jobs immeasurable ability was his business acumen not raw innovation. His business acumen should be applauded but the hysteria about how he changed the world is really rather perplexing - we even have the US president saying Jobs changed the world?

Apple were not first movers on any of the big tech areas of today - Smartphones, applications on mobile phones, MP3 players and notebook computers ALL existed before the Apple version was launched. What Apple did, through a combination of marketing and design, was bring these devices to the mass market.

But they didn't invent them. I had an MP3 player in 2000 and I was installing applications onto my Smartphone long before the iPhone came out.

Apples talent is in its marketing - its flawless and fantastic and has most people genuinelly beleiving that before the iPhone, we all had a Nokia 5110 and before the iPod, we carried LP's.
 
He did change it. Before iPad. What was a tablets appeal? Who purchased one and who used it?

It's very much text book definition of innovation. Changing something.
 
"THIS DEVICE IS TOO COMPLICATED TO USE! I'M NOT A GEEK! I JUST WANT SOMETHING THAT WORKS!"
"THIS DEVICE IS TOO EASY TO USE! I'M NOT THE AVERAGE CONSUMER! IT INFRINGES UPON MY ELITISM!"
 
Where was the innovation in an iPad? It's just a tablet - it's not really fundamentally different to the tablets before it. The difference is that its an Apple product - and Apple products are desireable. It took the tablet being produced by a company whose products people aspire to own to get people to buy them.

Apple have created an aspirational brand that people WANT to own - they've done this through a mixture of quality products and fantastic marketing. And for this they should be applauded.

Not hailed as world changers.
 
You honestly can't see the difference between older tablets and the iPad?

That is the innovation. You simply can't argue against it. I think people are confused as to what innovation means.
 
[TW]Fox;20246470 said:
Where was the innovation in an iPad? It's just a tablet - it's not really fundamentally different to the tablets before it. The difference is that its an Apple product - and Apple products are desireable. It took the tablet being produced by a company whose products people aspire to own to get people to buy them.
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The difference was iOS. Which is a great phone/tablet OS. Prior to that people had to make do with Windows botched attempts at a phone OS and running a full OS on tablets/PDAs.

The tech might not have been ground breaking. But the interactivity with the device was. No stylus required. Just a chubby finger for a fluid and solid OS.
 
Raymond Lin said:
One thing you have pointed out is that windows is optimised for tablets, optimised being the key word. Not designed for. The whole OS is designed maintain for desktop use with mouse and keyboard. That association also had many draw backs such as CPU power, RAM and actual power usage. The iPad can last 10 hours, a windows based tablet would be impressive if it can do half of that.

I was watching an interview with jobs last night on YouTube, basically how they would identify what is the next big thing and do those projects. Each tech had it's own spring, summer, autumn and winter. They would get on the tech that has the best vectors for growth and push for those. His genius was to see it and most importantly apply it better than most. There may be others who has spotted the trend but they don't execute it the same.
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Not really. Windows 7 was designed for desktop use but also had a lot of optimisation for tablet use. Windows 8 was always going to be designed to work brilliantly on a tablet, that was before Apple announced the iPad. We'll see in a year or two when the ARM version of windows comes out how it works...

Either way as both of us have said Apple were excellent at jumiping in just after the market opened up and managing to gain a marketshare in this market by their business accumen. I think the reason for that market share and how much influence they had on other devices and companies is going to be contentious though. Obviously all companies copy ideas off each other (Apple just as much as any other), that's how they compete, but I don't think Apple never being in those markets would have really affected that market in the long term. 2010 was announced as the year of the tablet before Apple announced theirs and smartphones were becoming more mainstream the year they announced their new iPhone.

So yes, great business accumen but innovation...? Well no more than any other large company in the last few years.
 
I have face book friends that have changed their pictures to that cringe worthy one of him stroking his beard that everyone has latched onto.

I dont remember them getting this emotional when their own Father died..

I think its sad.
 
Amp34 said:
So yes, great business accumen but innovation...? Well no more than any other large company in the last few years.
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I would disagree completely. Look at how many patents Steve Jobs (not Apple as a whole, just him) has filed over the past few years. How many tech companie have a CEO who's are still involved with the technical side of the business? One of the Motorola's recent bosses couldn't even work his computer!

I've worked in the smartphone business 8 years. Apple came in and kicked everyone's asses. Everyone else was focusing on what the manufacturer/operator wanted or trying to cut as many corners as possible. No-one gave a damn about making a product that appealed to the end user. Apple married technical innovation (the UX, the capitative touchscreen) and business accumen (telling the operators to STFU). The iPhone deserves to be the success that it is.

Remember that pre-iPhone, the only three smartphone touchscreen UIs were Windows Mobile Professional, UIQ and PalmOS. Two of those were pretty much binned before the iPhone was announced and Microsoft gave very little attention to WinMo Pro. Even pre-iPhone builds of Android were based around a Blackberry form-factor. The iPhone changed everything.

Steve Jobs' greatest gift was always knowing what was important and focusing on it. Much of his innovations were as much to do with what wasn't included as what was.
 
Mate thats what i said before. the iphone is the only thing imo that was a bit unique.

Apple are screwed without steve jobs now i reckon!!!!! Who will fill his boots? And if there is a person that can, how do we know that said person is working with apple? the next guy or girl who has made such a huge impact in tech may not even be working under apple.

IMO i think the guys who invented google are pretty close to emulating steve jobs "impact" on technology. yea ok the google boys are shy and not as "in your face" lik steve jobs but no one can deny that they did not make great impacts on the tech/software world.
 
infact, Billgates, steve jobs and the google boys are the ones who have been running the show. both offering something new and both have something very in common. whats that u ask? They both started with a pen and paper so to speak and built from he ground up.

This is why IMO apple wont be able to flourish without Steve IMO. No one can be as good as him in apple as steve was their right from the beginning. He knows where every spec of dust in the whole entire apple company is.

No one in apple can emulate that IMO
 
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