The first iPhone at release was barely even a smartphone, devs couldn't write native apps only highly crippled webapps, it didn't do MMS, was 2G only, had no GPS.
The iPhone 3G was the real breakthrough device (as the sales figures confirm).
Steve Jobs has died. What effect, if any, will it have on Apple and the tech industry?
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The first iPhone at release was barely even a smartphone, devs couldn't write native apps only highly crippled webapps, it didn't do MMS, was 2G only, had no GPS.
The iPhone 3G was the real breakthrough device (as the sales figures confirm).
No single company did, it evolved from a dozen multi-billion dollar companies competing to become market leaders. Perhaps Apple had the biggest single contribution, but that is not the same thing as starting the craze.
Another way to look at things, currently Apple has 18% of the market share, compared to 43% for android phones. Furthermore, from 2009 to 2010 Android increased market share by 18.8%, Apple by just 1.3%. This shows that during this period Android has had a far bigger affect on the industry and market that the iPhone has - should we thank Google for leading the frenzy?. OR do we just accept that lots of rich companies spent lots of money on developing the current technology we enjoy
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Smartphone
you have combined to different things. They most certainly did start the crazy, but no they weren't the original. The two aren't exclusively linked, like you think they should be.
As for the second paragraph, just complete BS and shows your mind set.
For a start android caters for all price ranges, secondly the craze happened years ago.
Before iPhone, what smart phone was sold in the millions to every day people and not the business Market? Nope none.
But thats the frenzy - neither of the companies you mentioned had brought to market a smartphone to that date that led to such acceptance that moved smartphones from being a geeky thing you had a stylus for to something useful/inspirational for a large sector of society.
Im using your own terminology but it appears that you arent even aware of its definition...
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Windows mbile? But heck, lets just ignore that because the UI was ugly and aparently retards don't know how to use it.
Some of you guys are thinking about what apple did in the wrong way 
We have them to thank for better stuff from other companies (Sure we would have still got where we are today, but may have taken longer)
iPod/Phones - Other companys making these way before apple, did they bring anything new? Well not really, but with the way they sell there items they quickly sold loads and so others had to keep up by cramming better stuff in them.
iPad - They took something, that wasn't doing very well (Tablets) and at the right time and. Others seen this and started putting more effort into theres when they seen how well it sold.
Apple never have and never will bring anything "new" to the table. But what they do is take stuff already there, put there spin on it and make it huge. So we do have a lot to thank to apple/jobs
We have them to thank for better stuff from other companies (Sure we would have still got where we are today, but may have taken longer)
iPod/Phones - Other companys making these way before apple, did they bring anything new? Well not really, but with the way they sell there items they quickly sold loads and so others had to keep up by cramming better stuff in them.
iPad - They took something, that wasn't doing very well (Tablets) and at the right time and. Others seen this and started putting more effort into theres when they seen how well it sold.
Apple never have and never will bring anything "new" to the table. But what they do is take stuff already there, put there spin on it and make it huge. So we do have a lot to thank to apple/jobs
I approached the question from 2 viewpoints.
1st, It is unclear if Apple would have developed the iPhone if it was not for 2 prior decades worth of related research and products from companies like Nokia. What I am saying is there there was indeed a precedent which influenced Apple and allowed Apple to leverage their products.
Secondly, going by the market share increase from 2009 to 2010 it is clear that Google and Android had a much bigger effect on the market. Android is both he market leader and the fastest growing % of market share.
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Some of you guys are thinking about what apple did in the wrong way
We have them to thank for better stuff from other companies (Sure we would have still got where we are today, but may have taken longer)
iPod/Phones - Other companys making these way before apple, did they bring anything new? Well not really, but with the way they sell there items they quickly sold loads and so others had to keep up by cramming better stuff in them.
iPad - They took something, that wasn't doing very well (Tablets) and at the right time and. Others seen this and started putting more effort into theres when they seen how well it sold.
Apple never have and never will bring anything "new" to the table. But what they do is take stuff already there, put there spin on it and make it huge. So we do have a lot to thank to apple/jobs
I agree that Apple makes good competition.
I'm not quite sure what you mean?
I'm saying that Apple & Steve did push the industry forward, in multiple areas?
Oh sorry, I found your statement read the other way!
aye I remember when I got my original SPV in about 2002, there wasn't anything on the market at the time at all like it. Had a special unlimited data offer from Orange and ran my PC at uni on pass through
Love being able to play things like pokemon on it as well. I remember being on Modaco around the time it first started and it was purely Windows Mobile then.
Apple is not ONLY about putting a spin on things, they do far more than that. The iOS ecosystem to this day has still not been matched, nor is it really close to being matched. Google do not have an iTunes alternative, and the fragmentation issues are still very much a problem at the moment. The products are also extremely well made and use very good (if not always cutting edge) technology, they're not some cheap crap thing that is being sold on marketing spin alone.
Also, comparing Android sales figures to iPhone sales figures is like comparing Ford to Aston Martin, Ford cater to a huge price range and Aston Martin do not.
Also, comparing Android sales figures to iPhone sales figures is like comparing Ford to Aston Martin, Ford cater to a huge price range and Aston Martin do not.
No ones there weren't phones around before hand all technology is built on prevues technology. Does that mean we have never ever seen a break through?
Before iPhone, smart phones where not for the general public and did not get the publics interest. In that regards there is no arguments. Apple started the craze.
As for the second they have done very well. But you can't start a craze that has already happened. Ie smart phones for the general population. That time has been and gone.
For me the only reason Apple start crazes is because they release inferior products under the guise of design.
All recent Iphone have lacked in this area, they just want to be first, to the point that the latest Iphone didn't even work properly.
Whilst other companies are trying to add support for memory cards, work out bugs, add as many features to the phone as possible, Apple chose to just get it done and get it out there. It seems being first allows you to charge whatever you like, and create a cult'ish status for your product which inturn creates a fanboyism and guarentees that your next product whether inferior to the current markets options will sell like hot cakes.
Innovation no! Genius, Yes!
All recent Iphone have lacked in this area, they just want to be first, to the point that the latest Iphone didn't even work properly.
Whilst other companies are trying to add support for memory cards, work out bugs, add as many features to the phone as possible, Apple chose to just get it done and get it out there. It seems being first allows you to charge whatever you like, and create a cult'ish status for your product which inturn creates a fanboyism and guarentees that your next product whether inferior to the current markets options will sell like hot cakes.
Innovation no! Genius, Yes!
Well, it was a bad experience either way then. Either they lied and claimed the battery was water damaged when it wasn't, or it was water damaged and they failed to inform us that the battery could be replaced.
You say "nothing adds up" like Im making it up. Im not. And Im not an Apple hater, either. I just dont understand the frenzied 'Apple uber alles!' attitdue from so many people, hence the anecdote.
Apple products dont appeal to me at their set pricepoint. Which is fine, as there's plenty on the market which does. But I tire of constantly being treated with suspicion or derision because of that stance.
EDIT: If you know how to change the iPhone 3 battery I'd be mighty interested how to do it btw.
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You're entitled to your opinion, but that is just nonsense for the most part.
The latest iPhone didn't even work properly, what do you mean?
You answered your own question -
Well rather than go back and redesign the flaw in its casing they choose to ignore it, for the sake of getting the product out there. If they had gone back to the drawing board they would have lost some market share to the Samsung or HTC who were still developing products that did more.
Apple are not privy to new technology first, all other companies are developing the same product of a smilar design at the same time, yet being first counts because then people think you have copied them.
Skipping steps, like mms, or bluetooth, or memory card slots, or actually revamping ios means they can do this.
Apple are not privy to new technology first, all other companies are developing the same product of a smilar design at the same time, yet being first counts because then people think you have copied them.
Skipping steps, like mms, or bluetooth, or memory card slots, or actually revamping ios means they can do this.
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Was napster (When it went legit) Not around before iTunes?