Stop breeding dam it.

mmj_uk said:
Climate change alarmists are all the same, what they want is more government control over private business through regulation (economic Fascism) because they hate free market capitalism (like Hitler did) and less freedom for the masses who have to live by an increasing set of rules set by the government because they're lefty collectivists. You don't need to nationalise business if you can control everything they do through government regulation which is what Nazi Germany did.

I'm not saying that no regulation at all is good but excessive regulation and top down control over everything by an effectively totalitarian government is terrible.
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Will you like ever stop putting across these biased viewpoints?

Well soon see how your opinion is when a billion people are at our doorstep starving because the waters are poison, the fish extinct and disease ravaging the species because people’s ‘distaste in regulation’. The future is a grave and you seek to make it worse in this ignorance.

You’ll get your ‘lefty hell’ because of this, not in spite of.

What happens when you don’t ‘regulate’ the pressure in a nuclear reactor? It blows up.
 
satchef1 said:
It's an easy thing to be flippant about. But imagine getting it wrong. Today's aging population problem would become a crisis within a generation or two.
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I don't think the impact of having an over populated planet is any less of a crisis except it's a harder one to deal with and there's no light at the end of the tunnel.
 
satchef1 said:
It's an easy thing to be flippant about. But imagine getting it wrong. Today's aging population problem would become a crisis within a generation or two.
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But that is something which will naturally balance out over a couple of decades. To many people isn't just damaging our society but the whole planet. If we don't do something about it, eventually nature will and it won't care about political correctness.
 
Nasher said:
But that is something which will naturally balance out over a couple of decades. To many people isn't just damaging our society but the whole planet. If we don't do something about it, eventually nature will and it won't care about political correctness.
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I don't think there's some massive extinction event that will suddenly happen, the Earth will just become less habitable and a lot of people will suffer.
 
Nasher said:
But that is something which will naturally balance out over a couple of decades. To many people isn't just damaging our society but the whole planet. If we don't do something about it, eventually nature will and it won't care about political correctness.
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I'm not concerned about political correctness. I'm concerned about the effect a reduced birth rate would have on the global economy. A certain percentage of the world's population needs to be "employed" in order to ensure everyone gets fed. If you reduce the birth rate, you reduce the working-age population percentage 20-30 years out. If you reduce it too far, you risk economic collapse and eventually starvation. Beyond that, you wind up with a bunch of ethical conundrums like education vs labour for children, and whether or not to heal the sick.

Reducing the birth rate would take decades to have any impact. And if its impact is found to be undesirable, it could potentially take decades to put right. Leaping off a cliff in the hope that the technology 20-50 years out is good enough to mitigate the effects is simply madness.
 
Read this article and contemplate it guys, Fascism in the west is a lot closer than you think (have been lead to believe - in other words it's not just all about white nationalism and dictatorship), it is an economic model:
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It was common in those days, as it is in ours, to identify the Communists as leftist and the Nazis as rightists, as if they stood on opposite ends of the ideological spectrum. But Mises knew differently. They both sported the same ideological pedigree of socialism. "The German and Russian systems of socialism have in common the fact that the government has full control of the means of production. It decides what shall be produced and how. It allots to each individual a share of consumer's goods for his consumption."

The difference between the systems, wrote Mises, is that the German pattern "maintains private ownership of the means of production and keeps the appearance of ordinary prices, wages, and markets." But in fact the government directs production decisions, curbs entrepreneurship and the labor market, and determines wages and interest rates by central authority. "Market exchange," says Mises, "is only a sham."
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Through contacts with German business owners, Reimann documented how the "monster machine" of the Nazis crushed the autonomy of the private sector through onerous regulations, harsh inspections, and the threat of confiscatory fines for petty offenses.

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"The slightest formal mistake was punished with tremendous penalties. A fine of millions of marks was imposed for a single bookkeeping error."
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"You have no idea how far state control goes and how much power the Nazi representatives have over our work. The worst of it is that they are so ignorant. These Nazi radicals think of nothing except 'distributing the wealth.' Some businessmen have even started studying Marxist theories, so that they will have a better understanding of the present economic system.
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You cannot imagine how taxation has increased. Yet everyone is afraid to complain. Everywhere there is a growing undercurrent of bitterness. Everyone has his doubts about the system, unless he is very young, very stupid, or is bound to it by the privileges he enjoys.
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"There are terrible times coming. If only I had succeeded in smuggling out $10,000 or even $5,000, I would leave Germany with my family. Business friends of mine are convinced that it will be the turn of the 'white Jews' (which means us, Aryan businessmen) after the Jews have been expropriated.
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As Mises says, we are "independent" only in a decorous sense. Under fascism, explains this businessman, the capitalist "must be servile to the representatives of the state" and "must not insist on rights, and must not behave as if his private property rights were still sacred."
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"Officials, trained only to obey orders, have neither the desire, the equipment, nor the vision to modify rules to suit individual situations," Reimann explains. "The state bureaucrats, therefore, apply these laws rigidly and mechanically, without regard for the vital interests of essential parts of the national economy.
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Says another businessman: "Each business move has become very complicated and is full of legal traps which the average businessman cannot determine because there are so many new decrees. All of us in business are constantly in fear of being penalized for the violation of some decree or law."
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mmj_uk said:
Read this article and contemplate it guys, Fascism in the west is a lot closer than you think (have been lead to believe - in other words it's not just all about white nationalism and dictatorship), it is an economic model:
Business Under Nazis
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Read the article. Sounds nothing like the current state of play. There are passing resemblances, but no more than you could find with communism, free market capitalism, or any number of other means of running an economy. It seems likely we have picked up some ideas from the Nazis. But that doesn't mean we're anywhere close to emulating them. Regulation is nowhere near as tight, and the punishments for failing to comply aren't so severe. The government doesn't control the supply of raw materials. And we don't have to worry about being reported if we complain.

Interesting read though :)
 
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someone just start a dam big war so we can keep banging out kids at full speed... nothing like a good war (not just a big guy picking on a small group) to sort out the population
Roar87 said:
I don't think the impact of having an over populated planet is any less of a crisis except it's a harder one to deal with and there's no light at the end of the tunnel.
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disease, famine or war will correct the population levels eventually
 
Another hollow Guardian article fawning over AOC. Despite eluding to her giving us infinite wisdom I can't see where she has said anything of substance. Even if you don't believe in climate change the most ardent denier knows we have a huge pollution problem

scientists and venture capitalists will be the ones who will be propelling the tech of the future that slows down our over consumption to manageable levels. The Democrats at the moment are not too hot on capitalism.

I'm certainly no expert on the matter but I believe we already have the means to live sustainably with minimal footprint, we just want to over consume which is the problem. If India and China had the spread of wealth that we have in the West then we would truly be up sh*tcreek.
 
edscdk said:
someone just start a dam big war so we can keep banging out kids at full speed... nothing like a good war (not just a big guy picking on a small group) to sort out the population


disease, famine or war will correct the population levels eventually
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Can't, nukes.
 
If she's serious about this then what she should do is promote a massive program of female education and equal rights in Africa, India and the Middle East. It is the one proven way to reduce population growth and is entirely voluntary and therefore humane, by virtue of the fact it gives women in these countries the CHOICE of something other than exhausting themselves having five or more children.

I suspect that will not be the focus of her efforts, however. And as regards using "children will have hard lives" as a motivating argument, that's really a testament to how terrified of hardship people are in the modern West than it is a valid argument. How hard did most of our grandparents have life? Our great-grandparents even more so. Should they not have lived and been born? And thus none of us here?

I agree the world's population should be lower. But I doubt she'll approach it in a logically consistent and equitable way. Or acknowledge the consequences of a unilateral approach to this.
 
If you look into the details of her support of the green new deal its all about subsidies for 100% renewable energy by 2020 wrapped up in a healthy dose of free healthcare, education and obligatory open borders.

No mention of population control or anything else. I want to see some serious money being pumped into plastic alternatives, petrol alternatives etc.
 
Thecaferacer said:
If you look into the details of her support of the green new deal is all about subsidies for 100% renewable energy wrapped up in a healthy dose of free healthcare, education and obligatory open borders. No mention of population control or anything else. I want to see some serious money being pumped into plastic alternatives, petrol alternatives etc.
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I've seen the people marching for "Climate Emergency" recently. And I wouldn't mind it so much if these weren't the same groups of people who for fifteen years have been arguing with me every time I try to advocate for nuclear power. I'm not in disagreement with taking better care of our environment. But I'm somewhat afraid of what other things might be done under the name of doing so.
 
I wish those 3rd world countries would stop breeding like they can afford unlimited babies and then moan when they can't provide basic needs for them then have to ask the Western World for help. No thanks.
 
h4rm0ny said:
I've seen the people marching for "Climate Emergency" recently. And I wouldn't mind it so much if these weren't the same groups of people who for fifteen years have been arguing with me every time I try to advocate for nuclear power. I'm not in disagreement with taking better care of our environment. But I'm somewhat afraid of what other things might be done under the name of doing so.
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My dad was a nuclear engineer so I'll always be biased, but it is the cleanest bang for buck we have at this time.

It's the hypocrisy of millennial enviros that get me (swampys can go in peace). Moaning about unsustainability etc whilst lusting after the newest iPhones etc, selectively ignoring lithium mining etc.

I'm a firm believer in we will innovate through climate change/pollution etc. My first car was leaded FFS. People don't appreciate how far we have come in 30 years.
 
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